War has become a snooze fest at th9

[nineadama]

A point of discussion should be that a th9 should or shouldnt be able to 3 star th9. I liked the wars because of the competion it gave and commitment to the clan. Wars with th7 and th8 were tedious because a th7 can destroy a th7 easily eith dragons etc. After the update this also happened to th9......
Maybe SC could look into this.

[JamsOnly]

Ya, my heroes were 25/26 and my walls were 110/250 done when I popped the other day. I would HIGHLY recommend people stay and max EVERYTHING at TH9. It is easier, faster, and definitely worth getting out of the way. Don't make my mistake, max that ****!!

Farming at TH10 is a whole different story, and the fact that I'm offering up 400/400/3000 instead of 350/350/2500 is a huge factor in progression... or lack of..

Maxing is the plan, thx for sharing your experience.

[IDBGOD28]

You do understand that having th10s drop and clear the 9s is nowhere near "steamroll any 9" or "as easy as max drags on th7s". The fact that you can't do it every time indicates that it remains a challenge.

If my clan comp has 30 th11s and 10 th10s and th10s get 3starred everytime, that does not mean that th10 game is a "joke", "steamroll" or "th7".

You do understand that I said most (if not all) our 9s are usually 3D (by 9s) right? With the remaining few (if any) cleaned by 10s.

A th9 with high heroes is a steamroll vs th9s by any compotent attacker. Our average 9s are 25+ heroes/quite a few 30s actually. The lowest has 20s.

Hell, I was able to 3 most 9s as a 9 with gowiwi when I had 30s and was before all these updates. Gowiwi is a terrible war strat lol. If you learn to master goho style attacks at th9 it is GG period, sorry. Every th has an OP strat and at th6 it was giant/healer, at th7 it was drags, 8 it was hogs, 9 it is goho and golaloon/queen walks. The new update makes it even easier.

And sorry, but I don't find it a challenge when 75% of our 9s can get 3s, usually within 1st attempts (and likewise get 3D by any good war attacker with decent heroes).

[OnyxDS]

I think it's getting pointless arguing. You war experience is at one side of the spectrum, mine is at the other. We are a 200+ war win clan and in most fair/even wars yes, all of our 9s are 3D.

We also have about half high 10s/11s, and do 20 or 25 man wars. There are usally no more than 10-12 9s and those that aren't 3D by 9s are covered by th10/11 cleanup. Again, every 9 gets 3D as this is our general matchup. War comes down to if we are able to 3 10s/11s or by total .

But... you mention TH10s cleaning up TH9s. We're talking about 9vs9. If a TH10 needs to dip then your TH9s were not cleared by 9s. It also implies the success rate of 9vs9 in that case was under 50%, which hardly sounds ridiculously OP. And not like TH7, where it's around 99%

My experience is the same as CnConrad - we're 200+ wins, and our TH9s have never been cleared. I said a while back no enemy had even gotten half. That's not true now, one very good war clan got 16/18 (and 1 or 2 of those with TH10 attacks). Recent enemies have been struggling to 3* more than 2 or 3. Out of 18.

The big difference is: we have few TH10s. Around 2 TH10s and often near 20 TH9s. Clans that have a large TH10 contingent seem to be the ones saying 9 is too easy and they are always cleared. I'm not sure if part of that is not recognising where TH10 attacks dropped down or not. I'm sure part is a higher skill level in those clans. And necessity - in a TH9/10 clan a 2* on a TH9 is totally useless.

It's fascinating though to see how much people's experience diverges. From those who say TH9 is so easy they can 3* with their eyes shut, to clans who can't get a single 3* between them.

[IDBGOD28]

But... you mention TH10s cleaning up TH9s. We're talking about 9vs9. If a TH10 needs to dip then your TH9s were not cleared by 9s. It also implies the success rate of 9vs9 in that case was under 50%, which hardly sounds ridiculously OP. And not like TH7, where it's around 99%

My experience is the same as CnConrad - we're 200+ wins, and our TH9s have never been cleared. I said a while back no enemy had even gotten half. That's not true now, one very good war clan got 16/18 (and 1 or 2 of those with TH10 attacks). Recent enemies have been struggling to 3* more than 2 or 3. Out of 18.

The big difference is: we have few TH10s. Around 2 TH10s and often near 20 TH9s. Clans that have a large TH10 contingent seem to be the ones saying 9 is too easy and they are always cleared. I'm not sure if part of that is not recognising where TH10 attacks dropped down or not. I'm sure part is a higher skill level in those clans. And necessity - in a TH9/10 clan a 2* on a TH9 is totally useless.

It's fascinating though to see how much people's experience diverges. From those who say TH9 is so easy they can 3* with their eyes shut, to clans who can't get a single 3* between them.

Ignore that one specific part of my post. If you go back through my responses you will see where I was getting at.

But let me reclarify the context to which it was being said. In our wars, most our our 9s are able to get 3s vs theirs. My above post was in response to in the rare case that if all 9s are not 3D by our 9s, a th10/11 cleans them up. Again key word being "rare case." This isn't something like having half our remaining th10 atks clean up the 9s it's more like 1-2 bases if that (usually a very well designed/maxed base).

So in that regard, yes....most 9s are 3ing 9s. Not the 10s.

Also, another issue seems to be centered around what your average war looks like. We were primarily a th9 war clan for a long time. The issue wasn't our 9s being able to 3 it was our 10s (often struggling with 2 starring other 10s). We have since became much more max th10/11 heavy and that typically means a higher war pairing. Still, our 9s have never really been the issue in terms of their consistency to 3.

There are several key strats that work well at th9 and every base can be exploited by a proper attacker with the right comp. the consistency to 3 usually will come from higher heroes (20+ as I've been saying) as your margin for error is much less.

But again, it depends on your average war matchup as well as overall th/war weight/base strength. Skill of your players is also a factor, though again things have only become more easy as time progresses and SC continually screws up the war balance.

[KC03]

But... you mention TH10s cleaning up TH9s. We're talking about 9vs9. If a TH10 needs to dip then your TH9s were not cleared by 9s. It also implies the success rate of 9vs9 in that case was under 50%, which hardly sounds ridiculously OP. And not like TH7, where it's around 99%

My experience is the same as CnConrad - we're 200+ wins, and our TH9s have never been cleared. I said a while back no enemy had even gotten half. That's not true now, one very good war clan got 16/18 (and 1 or 2 of those with TH10 attacks). Recent enemies have been struggling to 3* more than 2 or 3. Out of 18.

The big difference is: we have few TH10s. Around 2 TH10s and often near 20 TH9s. Clans that have a large TH10 contingent seem to be the ones saying 9 is too easy and they are always cleared. I'm not sure if part of that is not recognising where TH10 attacks dropped down or not. I'm sure part is a higher skill level in those clans. And necessity - in a TH9/10 clan a 2* on a TH9 is totally useless.

It's fascinating though to see how much people's experience diverges. From those who say TH9 is so easy they can 3* with their eyes shut, to clans who can't get a single 3* between them.

Against a good warring clan, I would be shocked if more than 1-2 of our TH9s didn't get 3*d.. usually enemy clans do drop down against our top TH9s though.

Pre-update, against an equally matched high level clan, our 9s would probably leave 1-2 maxed TH9s on the table, for our 9.5s to clean. This would happen maybe once every 3-4 wars at least. Since the update, we haven't needed a single dropdown hit.. Our 1st attack success rate for TH9s was just north of 50% before the update. I'd estimate it to be around 70% post-update.

At the same time, I can't remember the last time every single one of our TH9s was 3*d - I'm sure it's happened, but it might've been quite some time ago. We usually war 30v30 with 1-2 TH11s in, 2-3 TH10s in, 2 9.5s, and a ton of TH9s, and a handful of TH8s.

There definitely will always be variance in terms of skill level and various clans, both with bases and also attacking.. but the update definitely killed whatever balance was there at TH9 v TH9 previously. Shame.

[IDBGOD28]

Against a good warring clan, I would be shocked if more than 1-2 of our TH9s didn't get 3*d.. usually enemy clans do drop down against our top TH9s though.

Pre-update, against an equally matched high level clan, our 9s would probably leave 1-2 maxed TH9s on the table, for our 9.5s to clean. This would happen maybe once every 3-4 wars at least. Since the update, we haven't needed a single dropdown hit.. Our 1st attack success rate for TH9s was just north of 50% before the update. I'd estimate it to be around 70% post-update.

At the same time, I can't remember the last time every single one of our TH9s was 3*d - I'm sure it's happened, but it might've been quite some time ago. We usually war 30v30 with 1-2 TH11s in, 2-3 TH10s in, 2 9.5s, and a ton of TH9s, and a handful of TH8s.

There definitely will always be variance in terms of skill level and various clans, both with bases and also attacking.. but the update definitely killed whatever balance was there at TH9 v TH9 previously. Shame.

Well said. I beleive this post goes to the heart of the topic.

You explained better with one post then what I have been trying to say for 4 pages. Lol.

Clash in fellas, and goodluck with your wars.

[Vinnie009]

TH9 has been one of the most fun for wars. Or it was in the past. It was a challenge.
I think the donated spells was a bit unnecessary but might be ok. However, the added 30 seconds of extra time is too much for wars.

Seems like the extra 30 seconds was thrown in for the TH11 bases. Most likely due to the mighty Sparrow defense. (SC said something about trickling out troops so the defense doesn't hit them with the splash damage)

[Micker99]

LOL, wish our TH9s had that problem. Had some 2 star fails from them.... I told them Th9 is supposed to be too easy now. Actually on both sides of our wars have been AWFUL th9 attacks. Most of the 3 stars were on the lower Th9s and TH10s hitting lower.

It made it easier for people who already could 3 star, the ones that were having problems before are still having problems.

[jobob145]

our th9 vs th9 3 star percent (first attack) has went up significantly.

we are usually a mix of a few 10's, remaining split 9's and 8's

20 v 20 last 2 wars with 2 10's.
they did not have to drop to clean.