War has become a snooze fest at th9

[nubulator]

You could be a hardcore player and war at TH9. But now for them it isn't a big challenge any more. They could go up and become a starting TH10, but it's not a good time to be a new TH10. They are stuck at a weak TH10 or a boring TH9.

It's not an elitist thing. It's the hardcore players saying this updates sucks in more ways than loot problems.

"it's not a good time to be a new TH10".

Is it because things are more difficult, and they always are as a new Th9/10. Prob even moreso after the update. but there are ways around it. It is harder, but the people are complaining about things being too easy, so I don't understand how someone complaining things aren't harder, are also not willing to make things harder on themselves.

[CnConrad]

I wouldn't say my standard is any higher than any average 150+ win war clan. Nor would I say I am "really good."

Well developed 9s with 20+ royals should be able to 3 any 9 (maxed or otherwise) with a goho or golaloon style attack. Goho with 20s vs th9s is about the same pace of ease as mass drags at th7. They simply do not have a chance if you understand basic war principals and funneling dynamics. Higher heroes means your margin for error is greater. 30s at th9 steam roll. If a th10 can't clean a th9 then they are just not good at all.

Statistics are irrelevent. Any good war clan here who understands the war metagame would say the same...and judging by most that have commented in this thread it would seem they do as well.

No... 2-4 random forum dudes agreed thats it.

Anyone with any war knowledge can stop a goho.

We have beaten dozens and dozens of 150+ win clans and none have 3 starred every non 10.

I personally have 9.75 no infernos and only 2 x bows but working on point defenses.

Do you know the number of times I have been 3 starred since upgrading to th 10?

One time. 1 single time and that was by a th 11 with a lvl 15 grand warden.


At best the top 5-10% of clans 3 star every th9 and below every war.

The other 90-95% do not. If anything this update gives the mediocher clans a shot at keeping the war close.

[IDBGOD28]

"is about the same pace of ease as"

Not even close. You could close your eyes at TH7 with mass drags and three star. You probably only need to pay attention to about 15% of the battle. You have to pay attention the majority of most TH9 battles.

"any good war clan here who understands...". Ok, there it is, a "good war clan". What standard do you put on what makes a "good war clan". Is it the top 10% of the clans out there? Is it clans who have over a 50% w/L ratio?

If there are clans who are 90-0, all those wins are losses to someone else.

We are about 170-40 ourselves, and most wars we are 3 starring all TH9's. But the people in our clan who are three starring are not doing so consistently, every single attack no matter what.

As I've stated many times. It really depends on the consistency of your war matchups. Are your average 9s 20+ royals and at least full defensive/Lego? Or do you have large ranges between your top/mids/lowers with average/weak 9s with low bases and heroes?. How many 10s/11s do you war with, etc.

Ok, so I may have exaggerated on th9s being able to 3 as easy as max drags on th7s. Still doesn't change the fact that a th9 with decent heroes can pretty much steamroll any 9 with a proper attack. Our 9s with 30s get 3 stars very consistently. (Really any with 20+ do).

Now, is it every single time? Of course not. Things happen and mistakes are made. Sometimes it takes a base to be hit/scouted before it can be cleaned 100%. If for some reason too many attempts have been made a th10 will just clean it and be done with it.

Never once did I say that a 9 should 3 star perfectly every th9 every single attack. What I said was by end war all 9s are 3D which has been my experience in our average war matchup or any matchup against what I would consider as a decent war clan.

And personally, though my post may have rubbed you the wrong way....yes I think 3ing th9s is a joke now. For my clan and our average matchups my experience seems to be absolutely that case.

[DaiGuren]

well, that was kinda one the the updates purposes, to derail TH9 wars and make people move to TH10 and eventually 11.

[Hustler16]

Agreed, we had a tough time (more like fun time) trying to three star all the TH9's in war before the update. Now, we have our mid TH9's EASILY (ya, easily) three starring the top TH9's consistently. It used to be balanced and a real challenge to three star tough maxed out TH9's. It became a joke, and therefore, I have moved onto TH10... only to realize its still a joke up here :/

[nubulator]

Agreed, we had a tough time (more like fun time) trying to three star all the TH9's in war before the update. Now, we have our mid TH9's EASILY (ya, easily) three starring the top TH9's consistently. It used to be balanced and a real challenge to three star tough maxed out TH9's. It became a joke, and therefore, I have moved onto TH10... only to realize its still a joke up here :/

what's the joke?

[JosSi]

"it's not a good time to be a new TH10".

Is it because things are more difficult, and they always are as a new Th9/10. Prob even moreso after the update. but there are ways around it. It is harder, but the people are complaining about things being too easy, so I don't understand how someone complaining things aren't harder, are also not willing to make things harder on themselves.

Its because TH11's are very hungry for Elixir too.

[IDBGOD28]

No... 2-4 random forum dudes agreed thats it.

Anyone with any war knowledge can stop a goho.

We have beaten dozens and dozens of 150+ win clans and none have 3 starred every non 10.

I personally have 9.75 no infernos and only 2 x bows but working on point defenses.

Do you know the number of times I have been 3 starred since upgrading to th 10?

One time. 1 single time and that was by a th 11 with a lvl 15 grand warden.


At best the top 5-10% of clans 3 star every th9 and below every war.

The other 90-95% do not. If anything this update gives the mediocher clans a shot at keeping the war close.

I think it's getting pointless arguing. You war experience is at one side of the spectrum, mine is at the other. We are a 200+ war win clan and in most fair/even wars yes, all of our 9s are 3D.

We also have about half high 10s/11s, and do 20 or 25 man wars. There are usally no more than 10-12 9s and those that aren't 3D by 9s are covered by th10/11 cleanup. Again, every 9 gets 3D as this is our general matchup. War comes down to if we are able to 3 10s/11s or by total %.

The problem is we are both using our experiences and trying to label them as to what is/is not common. As I said a few posts above, war matchmaking is hardly ever fair, one side or the other usually has the upperhand. So see its rather useless stating our experiences without having all the facts.

The only way to be 100% fair? Head over to the clan war forum and start talking to clans about setting up scrims. That way you are guaranteed balance, a good clan that actually knows what they are doing, and is fair to all parties.

Anyway best of luck and GL to your clan.

[Hustler16]

what's the joke?

TH9 is not a 'hardcore' place to hang out anymore.

And since moving to TH10 I don't find anyone in search except people with infernos. Thats the joke

[EmporerToilet]

well, that was kinda one the the updates purposes, to derail TH9 wars and make people move to TH10 and eventually 11.

No doubt it was. Also I'm sure supercell made the change to increase three star attacks so that less experienced players could 'stand up' to the elite war clans. It's just sucks for players who are still months away from maxing as a th9. My choices are spend several hundred dollars, play all day long to make loot to progress, or accept boring wars, or rush and become a th10 with woefully underpowered heroes.

The the sad part is the answer should never be to lower the standard. Whether by intention or dumb luck, supercell had achieved balance at th9. So instead of implementing features to assist in raising the skills of its customer, It just dumbs down everyone and punishes those who already excelled.

To to give an example of an alternate solution...Supercell could have implemented a 'war practice' feature. Allow players to use an instant comp and hit some specific setup bases. They could've monetized it by charging 10 gems per practice. It would increase playability of he game and result in higher skill from players. But instead, nah, let's just totally screw up the balance. Sure some of those maxed th9 might go up but you've ruined war for all current and future th9 players...at least the ones who know gowipe isn't the end all of clash armies.