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    War Weight Changes for Clash on TH11 update - December 2015 changes...

    Updated 1-24-16
    There were some massive changes to war weight with this update (specifically for th9 to 11) = I have yet to see anyone post accurate new numbers to describe how the new weights are calculated.

    Update -2-1-16 I'm not sure what the Loot cart changes have done - there were a few random decreases in war weight on a couple accounts that could throw off some of this info; but generally the numbers are most likely solid.

    Update 3-7-16; witches and lava hounds updated along with a variety of other things - will be a new update soon and weights could adjust.. this entire topic could become junk...

    Update 3-20-16 - BK unlock is twice the weight for defenseless accounts - other small additions as well
    *potential weight changes that could make -some- of my numbers wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClan...w_war_weights/

    Update 4-19-16 - Post bowler - (bowler unlock - level 6 hogs - Defenseless punishments - New Valks)

    Update 8-8-16 Miners / bowlers / skele spells/ various random info

    Update 10-1-16 Few minor updates

    *Not updated 3-15-17 - Most of the things here are still accurate BUT now some extra offense is secretly being added in a way that is harder to detect. I will not (at this time) post the numbers I've found for some things... if you have questions post a reply and I'll address them.

    ----------=====Max Weights by town hall - AFTER April 2016 update - (Current info here):=====----------

    Here's the updated Bonus Loot Values for Maxed Town Halls (before any loot penalty is applied).

    ("BL" means "Bonus Loot". The number after the "BL" is the level of your clan.)
    Town Hall Weight BL 1/2 BL 3/4 BL 5/6 BL 7/8 BL 9/10
    TH11 110 660k 726k 759k 792k 825k
    TH10 90 540k 594k 621k 648k 675k
    TH9 70 420k 462k 483k 504k 525k
    TH8 55 330k 363k 379.5k 396k 412.5k
    TH7 40 240k 264k 276k 288k 300k
    TH6 30 180k 198k 207k 216k 225k
    TH5 20 120k 132k 138k 144k 150k
    TH4 14 84k 92.4k 96.6k 100.8k 105k
    TH3 6 36k 39.6k 41.4k 43.2 45k

    ----------=====Why worry about Weight? - (Opinionated info here):=====----------
    *real game data - general observations not cold hard facts: - this varies based on how rushed a player is - but generally speaking these are the numbers for when you will start seeing the next TH level in a way that will hurt you. These are the biggest changes in your gaming experience *This is a worst case scenario when fighting an engineered war clan.


    20k - you will start seeing th6/7 bases that are hard for you to kill without 200 camps and higher esearch.

    35k - you will likely start seeing TH8 players with 3 air defenses - you will not be able to kill them easily.

    45k you will start seeing rushed TH9 players with Xbows; your research should be max thh8 with a level 10 king - or ideally a premie th9 with two level 15 royals

    55k you will start seeing Rushed th10 bases with Infernos; you need two level 10 heroes for a two star -ideally you will be a solid th9 with level 20 heroes

    65k you will see rushed th11 bases with Grand wardens - to effectively kill them you need to be th10 attack power with 20+ heroes and max research on war troops



    ----------=====Defense Weights by item - Valid on 10-1-16):=====----------
    Upgrade TH to next level = no weight (3 to 11 all tested)

    Eagle Artillery - Estimated and reported to be 6k -some report 15k Rumors say on a defenseless it could be as high as 30k

    Air def -New level one = 1k @th8
    Air def - Upgrade from lvl1 to lvl2 =1k *after the 2nd war where my weight went up 1k - it went back down magically - 1k lower... so upgrading AD did not add weight after all?
    *Air defenses between town hall 6 and 7 will give some 'free' upgrades where you will not see a weight gain at all. Partially due to recent updates adding a third air def at th6 (without revamping the max weight of a th6)

    Inferno -New level one for a solid th10= 3k
    Inferno - New level one for a light weight 48k hybrid = 13k (up to 61k weight before purchase)

    Mortar - New level one @th9 = 3000

    Xbow - New Level one @th9= 2000
    Xbow - New Level one ( = 3k (could have been research dragon lvl4 starting or could have been th10
    xbow - New Level one (third test on #5) = 3k - no research starting or ending
    xbow - th10 - new level 1 (purchased with 2 infernos at 3k each =) 1k for xbow ?
    xbow - th10 Third level 1 xbow =2k increase for the third one.
    Xbow th10 hybrid light weight 51k= FIRST xbow is punishment weight of 4k
    Xbow =Third one =2k weight (tested on a 68k th11 hybrid= ended up at 70k)
    Xbow- Fourth one =1k weight (other three are all level 1 - on a 70k th11 hybrid)

    Archer Tower - Upgrade from level 1 to lvl2 =

    Wiz tower @th9 1500 each - confirmed Twice
    Wiz tower @th6 is 3k - guaranteed from testing #15 - Why is it a higher weight at a lower town hall level? - test again

    Tesla - New level one @th9 added 1k -tested twice
    Tesla - Upgrading from 1 to 2 on #8 = 2004 (why such an odd # - canceled and will re test)
    Tesla Upgrade from level 1 to 2 on #17 Added 1k more
    Tesla upgrade from 2 to 3,4 and 5 on the same #17 account = zero weight gain.
    *will test teslas on all accounts now

    Sweeper @th9 (added no weight - maybe only when its finished? - cancel and re test
    Sweeper - new lvl1 @th10 = 1k weight

    ----------=====Sub Category- Hiden Traps/ bombs/Air and ground):=====----------
    From a defenseless th10 to purchasing every available hidden trap AND maxing them all - added about 6k total weight. This number is confusing and is highly suseptible to other unknown factors. Generally purchasing a new level 1 hidden trap will cause a HIGHER weight gain than upgrading it. In most cases you can max out the defense and see zero weight gain; sometimes you will see a minor increase after doing 4 or 5 upgrades.


    Spring trap = 1k weight

    GB level 1 - Zero weight

    Skeleton Trap level 1 = 1k
    Air bomb - unlock level 1 No Weight (*may have 250 weight
    Air Bomb unlock level 1 @th8= 500 to 1k Variable
    Air bomb -upgrade level 1 to 2 - No change at all @th6
    Air Bomb - upgrade to level 2 - 2nd test - no change at th6 again
    Air Bomb - upgrade to level 3 - No change in weight
    Air bomb - upgrade to level 4 - No Weight

    Seeking Air mine - adding level 1 = Zero weight may have 500 weight
    Seeking Air mine - adding level 1 *Added two and got 1k weight
    Seeking Air mine - adding level 1 @th8= 1k Variablet

    ----------=====Sub Category- Walls):=====----------
    Total estimated weight for 275 walls is 6k *by far the lightest weighted and most expsnsive item in the game.
    Generally buying a new level 1 wall is the only time you will currently see any weight added. Maxing that wall does not increase your weight at all. (used to be different) The first 35 walls are definatley 'free' and have no added weight - so any 'defenseless' or 'no walls' base is wasting a good 100 million that they could be spending on the first Tier of walls. Theres no reason to avoid them. somwehere after 35 walls 1k is added, 1k more at various other stages of purchase that I have not narrowed down.


    Walls test 1= ten level 1 walls = zero weight (on #7)
    Walls test 2= Spent 5 million on wall upgrades = no change in weight at all
    Walls test 3 +10 upgraded to skull walls (5 mil gold) on #3 - no weight added
    Wall test 4 on #8 Purchased 100 new walls and upgraded them all to level 5 - ZERO weight
    Wall test 5 on #9 2-15-16 purchased 125 walls upgraded to level 6 = 4k weight!!
    Walls test 6= using Defenseless accounts to find weights=

    Walls level 5 = 100% complete on 1-14-16 wieght=16k
    Walls level 6 = 100% complete on 1-17-16 Weight 16k =No change.

    Ongoing wall test #7= using a pair of defenseless accounts to slowly buy and max out walls.
    TIER 1: Wall 1 to 35 - no weight

    TIER 2: wall 38 was 13k wall 39 was 14k = up to 41 still 14k on #17

    'TIER 3:walls up to 80 added no weight = 85 increaed by 1k. (added tesla lvl2 @16k to 17k for test)

    TIER 4 From wall # ? to ?

    TIER 5 From wall # ? to 250

    TIER 6: wall 251 to 275 =1k (tested twice)


    ----------=====Offense Weights by item - Valid on 10-1-16:=====----------

    Build or upgrade camps = no weight

    Research Lab - unlock level 1 - No added weight

    Barbarian - upgrade level 2 = no weight added
    Barbarian - upgrade level 3 = no weight added
    Barbarian - upgrade level 4 +1k weight (#12 test)
    Barbarian - upgrade level 4 = no weight (#15 test#2 - DISCREPENCY?
    Barbarian - upgrade level 4 = no weight (#14 test#3)
    Barbarian - upgrade to level 5= 1k weight
    Archer - unlock level 1 =no weight added
    Archer - upgrade Level 2 =no weight added
    Archer - upgrade level 3 = no weight
    Archer - upgrade level 4 = no weight added (tested twice)
    Archer - upgrade level 5 = no weight
    Archer - upgrade level 6 = no weight (testing on #4)
    Giant - unlock level 1 = no weight added
    Giant - upgrade level 2= no weight added
    Giant - upgrade level 4 =?
    Giant - upgrade level 5= no weight added
    Goblin - unlock level 1= no weight added
    Goblin - unlock level 4 = no weight added *Tested on #11 and it may have added 1k.
    Goblin - unlock level 4 = Test #2 = Nightmare 13 = no weight

    Wallbreaker - unlock level 1=no weight added
    Wallbreaker to level 2 =no weight added
    Wallbreaker to level 3 = no weight added
    Wallbreaker to level 4 =
    Wallbreaker to level 5 = no weight added
    Balloons - unlock level 1= no weight
    Balloons -upgrade to level 4 = 1k? (tested on 11 - with healer unlock may be bad #'s)
    Balloons - upgrade to level 5 =1k
    Balloons - Max level 6 -NO weight (before bowler update)
    Balloons - upgrade to level 6 - 1k weight (tested on #10) - Post Bowler VARIABLE last test was zero
    Balloons - upgrade to level 6 - 1k weight (tested on #11)- Post Bowler
    Balloons - upgrade to level 7 - 0 added weight

    Wizard - unlock level 1= NO weight
    Wizard -upgrade level 2= NO weight
    Wizard -upgrade level 3=NO weight
    Wizard - unlock level 4 = NO weight
    Wizard - unlock Level 5= NO weight
    Healer - unlock level 1 = no weight added
    Healer - unlock level 1 = 1k added on #14 @th8
    Dragon- unlock level 1 = untested
    Dragon Upgrade to level 2 =1k
    Dragon Upgrade to level 3 = ?
    Dragon Upgrade to level 4 =1k first test
    Dragon Upgrade to level 4 test 2= 0 weight on #3
    Dragon Upgrade to level 4 test3= 0 weight on #4
    Dragon Upgrade to level 5= ?
    Pekka - unlock level 1 = ?
    Pekka - upgrade to level 2 - (no weight added on #5 - test again)
    Pekka - upgrade to level 3 = ?
    Pekka - upgrade to level 4- No weight
    Pekka - upgrade to level 5- No weight
    Miners - unlock level 1 (NO WEIGHT added) *on lopsided accounts 15k secret weight is added
    Miners - upgrade to level 2 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Miners - upgrade to level 3 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Miners - upgrade to level 4 (NO WEIGHT added)

    Minion - unlock level 1 = ? (testing on #10 3-5-15
    Minion- upgrade level 6 =no weight
    Minion - upgrade level 7 = (not testing yet)
    Hogs - unlock level 1 = 2k *avoid until end of th7 when they are needed
    Hogs - ugrade to level 3= testing on #6 -inconclusive
    Hogs - ugrade to level 3= #7 NO WEIGHT added when done at th10
    Hogs - ugrade to level 4= ? (tested on #5; but did level4 and 5 together)
    Hogs - upgrade to lvl5 = 0 (test on #1= zero weight)
    Hogs - upgrade to lvl5 = ? (test on #3=zero weight!)
    Hogs - upgrading to max level 6= (testing on NG2)= zero weight
    Valkryie - unlock level 1 1k weight at th8
    Valkryie - unlock level 1 #7 NO WEIGHT added added when done at th10
    Valkryie - upgrade level 2 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Valkryie - upgrade level 3 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Valkryie - upgrade level 4 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Valkryie - upgrade level 5 (NO WEIGHT added)
    Golem - unlock level 1 = (lost 1k weight due to loot cart update / no weight?)
    Golem - unlock level 1=(#6 test added 1k weight- or maybe it was hogs lvl3; did both at once-retest)
    Golem - upgrade to level 2 = (testing on #2 *May be 1k - also did a handful of bombs and 25 walls)
    Golem - upgrade to level 2= (#3 NO WEIGHT added
    Golem - upgrade to level 3= (tested on #1 and it was 1k - or maybe witches -or some walls did it?)
    Golem - upgrade to level 3= Tested on #4 = ZERO
    Golem - upgrade to level 4= no weight
    Golem -upgrade lvl4 to 5 - NO WEIGHT added
    Witch unlock level 1 = NO WEIGHT added (tested 3 times) *1k appeared on NG1 a couple days later - could have been golem3 and I didnt notice - or maybe walls?
    Witch Unlock level 1= NG2 ?
    Witch Unlock level 1= NG3 ?
    Witch Unlock level 1= NG4 ZERO
    Witch - upgrade to level 2= ? (Testing Nightmare 1)
    Witch- upgrade to level 3 = NO WEIGHT added
    Lava hound - Unlock level 1= (testing #2)
    Lava hound- upgrade to level 3 = NO WEIGHT added
    Lava hound - upgrade to level 4 - NO WEIGHT added

    Bowler Level 1 - unlock =NO WEIGHT added *on lopsided accounts 15k secret weight is added
    Bowler upgrade to 2 - NO WEIGHT added
    Bowler Upgrade to 3 NO WEIGHT added


    Lightening level 2 - No weight
    Lightening level 3 - No weight
    Lightening level 4 - No weight on #16 3-4-16
    Lightening level 5 - No weight test 1
    Lightening upgrade level 5 - 1k (tested again on #10- 3-4-16)
    Lightening upgrade level 6 = NO WEIGHT (testing on #14)

    Healing spell upgrade level 3 =?
    Healing spell Upgrade level 4 - no weight
    Rage Spell level 2 - no weight
    Rage spell level 4 =no weight
    Rage spell level 5=no weight
    Jump spell complete (added no weight - maybe only when its started?)
    Freeze spell level 1 to 5 unlocked no weight-

    Spell Factory Level 1 =no weight
    Spell Factory Level 2= (unknown)
    Spell Factory Level 3= 1k
    Spell Factory Level 4= (unknown)
    Spell Factory Level 5= no weight

    Dark spell factory level 1 = (testing on #11 - variable - try again)
    Dark Spell factory level 1 = th8 =0 (nightmare 16 - defenseless)

    Dark Spell factory level 2= 1k (tested on #9)
    Dark Spell factory level 2= ? (testing n #16 - should be 1k

    Barbarian King unlock level 1 =2k

    Queen unlock level 1 #9 = 1k weight
    Queen upgrade from 1 to 5 = No added weight at all
    Queen unlock level 1 =DEFENSELESS 3k base == jumped to 10k == 7k punishment!
    Queen unlock level 1= hybrid 17k base = jumped to 21k = 4k punishment

    Grand warden unlock level 1= NO WEIGHT -tested twice
    (some claim ZERO weight added through level 5 - but at level 10 1k is added) =https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/3z8hj3/ask_what_is_grand_wardens_war_weight/



    ----------=====Variables (unexplained):=====----------
    VARIABLES:
    +2 red bombs ( 0 weight )
    +2 black bombs ( 0 weight )
    =1k added total (so each must be smaller numbers than 1k and added up after a tier)






    Old info for reference:
    ----------=====Max Weights by town hall - BEFORE dec 2015 update - (Invalid info here):=====----------
    TH level weight data source
    max TH 3 6k from observation of maxed base in war
    max TH 4 12k observation of a near-maxed base
    max TH 5 20k from observation of maxed base in war
    max TH 6 30k guestimate
    max TH 7 40k from observation of maxed base in war
    max TH 8 55k forum posts & observation of a near-maxed base
    max TH 9 75k forum post & confirmed by joffrey_crossbow below.
    max TH 10 100k confirmed by lukereddit & supported by a youtube video
    max TH 11 110k TH11easies( forum exclusive day 12


    ----------=====Wall Weights by level - BEFORE dec 2015 update - (Invalid info here):=====----------

    Lvl 7 29.4 each 7350 total
    lvl 8 33.6 aka 8400
    lvl 9 37.8 aka 9450
    lvl10 42 aka 10,500
    lvl11 46.2 eac 11,500
    -Compare to one mortar or Wiz tower build or upgrade (which is 500)
    - so upgrading all 250 walls = the same weight as doing two defensive upgrades


    ----------=====Weights by item - BEFORE dec 2015 update - (Invalid info here):=====----------
    Cannon 100
    Archer 100
    Wiz tower 500
    Air def 230
    Mortar 500
    tesla 100
    Xbow 750 to 2000 (not sure)
    Inferno 1000
    dragon barraks unlocked - NO CHANGE IN WEIGHT (unless it happened when i instantly paid for the barraks upgrade - was 1k change then - but no change at end)


    ----------=====other Links related to Weights:=====----------

    3starclashing website is not accurate anymore... Can any of you refer me to discussions about war weight?

    -Seemingly valid CURRENT info on 'max weights per town hall' - https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClan...d_bases_after/

    Good conversation regarding weights: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...nalty-20/page4
    Quote from it: "weight has never been a purely linear function of defense/upgrades-by-structure*...your 4th structure of some defenses are worth a different amount than your 2nd"


    -Bactgudz explains his opinion (I agree with) - "Contrary to common belief, weight has never been a purely linear function of defense/upgrades-by-structure*...your 4th structure of some defenses are worth a different amount than your 2nd, some things have no weight at all, and some things are in inclusive groups so that if you have any one of them, you will have the group weight. " http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post6026542

    -This player claims that there are no extra weights added after the initial purchase:
    http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Base-Strat%29

    I've proved this wrong with attempts to upgrade the tesla - and when upgrading the air defense... but I've proved it right with upgrading Air Bombs.

    This thread has various opinions in it:
    http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...and-5-th-level
    Things like
    1- defenseless bases hurt your clan due to offensive weights being taken as the primary basis for a match- (I disagree)
    2- war matches are rounded up at each level - at the start of war - look at your 'recomended target' (before anyone else attacks) - this is your actual mirror in weight / attack power etc and if it is higher than you - that means you can add new defenses without extra weight (I disagree )





    ----------=====Weights with Offense requirements (to be un beatable in war):=====----------

    65k weight @th11 - (matching against Max th9 - new th10)

    Camps: 240+35
    Spell slots: 11
    Heroes:20/20/5
    Golums: 5
    Hogs: 5/max
    Dragons: 5 (cant 3 star anymore)
    Loons: 6 / max
    Witches 3
    Lava 3

    60k weight - (matching to mid to max th9)

    Camps: 240+35
    Spell slots: 11
    Heroes:15/15
    Golums: 4
    Hogs: 5/max
    Dragons: 5 (can 3 star some bases)
    Loons: 6 / max
    Witches 2
    Lava 2

    50k Weight @th10 hybrid - (matching to Max th8 - new th9)
    Camps: 240+35
    Spell slots: 11
    Heroes:15/10
    Golums: 3
    Hogs: 5/max
    Dragons: 4
    Loons: 6 / max
    Witches 1
    Lava 1

    40k weight @th9 hybrid (matching with th7/8)
    Camps: 220+30
    Spell slots: 9
    Heroes:10/5
    Golums: 2
    Hogs: 4
    Dragons: 3
    Loons: 5
    Witches 1
    Lava (not needed)

    30k weight @th8 hybrid (matching with th6/7)
    Camps: 200+25
    Spell slots: 7
    Heroes:5/na
    Golums: 1
    Hogs:
    Dragons: 2
    Loons: 4
    Witches na
    Lava na
    Last edited by blombardo; September 5th, 2017 at 04:37 AM.

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