The game is not perfect - yet it delivers

[SantaClouse]

I am one of the players right from the start. I did give away my first account to someone and started again. Since over 16 months I am at TH 9, maxed out - most walls lvl 10, heroes lvl 25 and 22.

i almost lost interest in the game - but then wars kicked in. I regained fun and became more active.
Guess what, a software feature enabled players to ♥♥♥♥♥ - so they could retry their attacks over and over again.
i stopped joining wars. But SC fixed it and I went back full force.

I realized pretty soon that SC has created a fantastic hamster wheel. You keep running and running. Or - upgrading and upgrading. But you never reach your goal. TH 12 will come - and here we go again....

But I stayed, because I wanted to learn to 3 star worthy opponents. So I went Champion way long before the upgrade and only did full war style raids. The purpose was to gain experience, not loot. My TH 9 is maxed, and I am in no rush to max my walls or heroes.

i am currently in a war clan that consists of 5 subclans. The team consists of 60% TH 11&10, 40% TH 9. The guys mean business. Not getting at least 2 stars in the first attack, and 3 in a clean-up is considered low performing. So one is on top of the game. Understanding the troop AI, but also base layouts.
i found my place in the game. And it is fun.

so here is my observation after the upgrade

has the update changed us? Nope. Loot is still out there. It just has migrated.

is it bad not to snipe anymore? Yes - I miss the easy loot. But, it forces players to learn to attack.

do I loose more loot? Yes, no more TH outside. but - I can do attacks from the shield, so I can at least attack 1 or 2 times more. So it is a wash. I love the shield

do I gem? Yes, I sometimes boost barrack and heroes - but I only use the free gems. Sorry SC, all these years I never supported you financially.

Is the game broken? Hard to say. As I have been around a long time, it is always the same cycle. New update, people rush to it and loot becomes scarce. SC the throws in 1 gem boosters to stabilize the economy. Guess, this is what is happening now as well.

imagine this - if SC would make loot dead easy, so that any bozo can go from THn1 to 11 in a week, would you still like it? Shouldn't TH 11 be something that is very very hard to achieve and makes the achiever proud?

Are members leaving? Nope.

Do we rant about the upgrade? Nope. We carry on, altough since the upgrade we start to loose more wars, as we face big TH 11s.

The the game is not perfect, never was. But it still delivers.


happy new year

S

[NewDamage]

Sorry, but the game is just not delivering anymore for a lot of us, I'm glad it is for you.

The thing is that we have been asked to adapt to the changes, but that is not actually good enough for SC, or quite a few here on the forums either. A huge amount have adapted by dropping cups drastically and this certainly not what SC intended and I can assure you they will make further changes to force everyone higher.

What was wrong with the old system? Why did they make these changes to what was the most successful game around? They wanted less clouds for the big gemmers and in reply, players have dropped as far down as they can leaving longer clouds up top (they also thought it was smart to add a village guard so the 'big boys' can be under shields for longer periods while they push higher, which in turn makes for longer clouds).

Trophies mean zero to most because all we want to do is hit go on the next upgrade, not train massively expensive armies and spells to attack a base that we may, or may not break even from an attack...we participate in war for that.

[Sicarie]

TH11 here:

I'm not a hater of the update and I still love playing Clash BUT I do hate the way the game is now. I don't want it to go back to pre-update TH sniping etc but currently the game is boring, slow and dying, my base almost never gets hit properly and hasn't been 2 starred since the update landed. Elixir is so precious/scarce now that nothing requiring it has been upgraded for weeks, I'm not that bothered about attacking since my potential elixir profits are far outweighed by the potential losses if the raid goes wrong so it's more efficient to just log on clear collectors and log off again, wars generate gold and DE but often cost more elixir than they generate especially if you lose the war so as a result wars are becoming increasingly inefficient. The game has literally become a farming game for me, harvest my crops (collectors) and defend them from potential raiders.

There have been hundreds of suggestions about how to fix this to allow the game to flow again but to me the simplest and most effective solution is to reduce the elixir cost of everything by some% (not sure of exact amount needed, this would require some play testing) and maybe go back to spells costing gold instead of elixir. This would at least make it profitable to raid again.

I know there are loads of players saying that there is plenty of loot out there but I'm just not finding it consistently and from what I've seen most of the players finding loot are TH9 in low leagues not TH10/11.

[SantaClouse]

TH11 here:

I know there are loads of players saying that there is plenty of loot out there but I'm just not finding it consistently and from what I've seen most of the players finding loot are TH9 in low leagues not TH10/11.

I am in Champion 3 - I only attack if the DE is bigger than 2.5k and gold and elixir > 350-400 K. And yes, I find these ones. Not straight away, but they are there. and the loot bonus adds nicely on top.

[NewDamage]

I am in Champion 3 - I only attack if the DE is bigger than 2.5k and gold and elixir > 350-400 K. And yes, I find these ones. Not straight away, but they are there. and the loot bonus adds nicely on top.

What army/spells are you running? How much are you losing for each defence? It's great for you if your time/style of play is not affected with the update, but it has affected a huge amount of us adversely and the game has become a very part time grind now.

[Melittto]

I am one of the players right from the start. I did give away my first account to someone and started again. Since over 16 months I am at TH 9, maxed out - most walls lvl 10, heroes lvl 25 and 22.

i almost lost interest in the game - but then wars kicked in. I regained fun and became more active.
Guess what, a software feature enabled players to ♥♥♥♥♥ - so they could retry their attacks over and over again.
i stopped joining wars. But SC fixed it and I went back full force.

I realized pretty soon that SC has created a fantastic hamster wheel. You keep running and running. Or - upgrading and upgrading. But you never reach your goal. TH 12 will come - and here we go again....

But I stayed, because I wanted to learn to 3 star worthy opponents. So I went Champion way long before the upgrade and only did full war style raids. The purpose was to gain experience, not loot. My TH 9 is maxed, and I am in no rush to max my walls or heroes.

i am currently in a war clan that consists of 5 subclans. The team consists of 60% TH 11&10, 40% TH 9. The guys mean business. Not getting at least 2 stars in the first attack, and 3 in a clean-up is considered low performing. So one is on top of the game. Understanding the troop AI, but also base layouts.
i found my place in the game. And it is fun.

so here is my observation after the upgrade

has the update changed us? Nope. Loot is still out there. It just has migrated.

is it bad not to snipe anymore? Yes - I miss the easy loot. But, it forces players to learn to attack.

do I loose more loot? Yes, no more TH outside. but - I can do attacks from the shield, so I can at least attack 1 or 2 times more. So it is a wash. I love the shield

do I gem? Yes, I sometimes boost barrack and heroes - but I only use the free gems. Sorry SC, all these years I never supported you financially.

Is the game broken? Hard to say. As I have been around a long time, it is always the same cycle. New update, people rush to it and loot becomes scarce. SC the throws in 1 gem boosters to stabilize the economy. Guess, this is what is happening now as well.

imagine this - if SC would make loot dead easy, so that any bozo can go from THn1 to 11 in a week, would you still like it? Shouldn't TH 11 be something that is very very hard to achieve and makes the achiever proud?

Are members leaving? Nope.

Do we rant about the upgrade? Nope. We carry on, altough since the upgrade we start to loose more wars, as we face big TH 11s.

The the game is not perfect, never was. But it still delivers.


happy new year

S

No game is fun if you cannot progress with out spending top dollar. Is as simple as that. Let's assume the game allows you to reach th8 with out spending money and suddenly your progression to th9 is very very hard. It Is very time consuming, tiring to upgrade from th8 to th9. Some people will give gems to progress to th9. Those people that paid, once they reach another hard to achieve update, they will chip gems in again. One day they will realize that this is leading no where and will leave the game.
PIR the game doesn't allow you to progress fairly, then people will stop playing cause it is not fun anymore. This is what is happening to COC in my opinion.

[SantaClouse]

What army/spells are you running? How much are you losing for each defence? It's great for you if your time/style of play is not affected with the update, but it has affected a huge amount of us adversely and the game has become a very part time grind now.

I use 6-8 valks, 14-16 hogs, Giants, wbs, and the odd PEKKA to attack. I did the math, against loss and investment. Still end up on the positive. I am not swimming in it... But as said I'm my mail. I found my place. I enjoy the war and am not in a rush to reach TH 11 next week.

If the game dynamics change so that it will take longer to upgrade, so be it. It just makes every upgrade more valuable.
i understand that not everyone is on the same page and I do not expect you to follow my style of game. Just want to say that there are players like me out there who see the upgrade not as a major fail.

[Powwder]

I use 6-8 valks, 14-16 hogs, Giants, wbs, and the odd PEKKA to attack. I did the math, against loss and investment. Still end up on the positive. I am not swimming in it... But as said I'm my mail. I found my place. I enjoy the war and am not in a rush to reach TH 11 next week.

If the game dynamics change so that it will take longer to upgrade, so be it. It just makes every upgrade more valuable.
i understand that not everyone is on the same page and I do not expect you to follow my style of game. Just want to say that there are players like me out there who see the upgrade not as a major fail.

sounds like you see the update as a major fail but have accepted it and moved on, guess you have thicker skin than most people good for you (being honest).

me on the other hand am not so forgiving. I played this game to farm, supercell destroyed farming, supercell even admitted to destroying farming knowing it would ♥♥♥♥ people off. thus this has become the worst update in any game I have ever seen.

[fette]

It ' used to' deliver but it doesn't anymore, that's the crux of it.

Making upgrdaes ' more valuable'? No thanks, it already takes an age to save up 8 mil and the have to wait another two weeks for the thing to be done...

Even without out all the recent changes, clash has never been a quick game , no instant gratification, you gotta wait weeks for stuff to finish. So ok, we've accepted that and a lot of us are veteran players ... But now... Now sc is testing our patience beyond what's reasonable, even for a game.

So unless the will be some action/communication/ tweaking forthcoming...pull will start to drift away for real in the next couple, months or so.

[Daviid]

Thanks for sharing, there are some tweaks that need to be done with, balance the th11 attack and offense same as the th10, maybe for th9. Im sure it will be better dont think SC will keep like that from now on