It doesn't suprise me when people accept a bad idea

[stormnorman15]

A few years ago a burger chain came out with a 1/3 lb burger to compete with McDonalds 1/4 lb burger. The 1/3 lb burger was the same price as the 1/4 lb burger. The plan failed because the average person thought 1/4 was bigger than 1/3.

Another example is. Sometimes we get emails scams. It's common for them to have many typos. They do this on purpose. They feel if a person isn't smart/observant enough to see a typo they will be an easy mark. So anyone who responds is usually not very bright and easy to con money out of.

A study was conducted on luck. They picked random people to see if luck existed. A part of that test was giving all the subjects a newspaper and on 1 of the pages was a coupon to receive $100. Those that claimed to be lucky saw the add and those that felt unlucky didn't see the add. They concluded lucky people were just more observant.

It doesn't surprise me when people don't see or understand how this update made it harder to get loot. Sure you may see big numbers but your loot per hour has dramatically decreased. I get about 75% less loot per hour since the update.

I have a question for those who think the loot is better: How much loot per hour did you gain before the update? If you can't answer that simple question, how can you say it's better?

In aproximate values I was making maybe 500k+ an hour now I'm milking usually 1.2m+ of both resources but very little dark

[Seuss145]

Pre update: 20-30k dark a day non boosted
Post update: 10-20k dark non boosted.
I only count dark elixir, not going for the other resources. Overall I'm not terribly affected but I'm getting about 1/3 less dark.

[ropepirate]

If you've only collected for the past 3 months, that is hard to distinguish. Your original post did not state 3 months. You have clearly raided hard in the past (about 200 mil of each resource, 45 mil assuming 6 top collectors for 900 days).

I have never really 'raided hard' as you put it but I do occasionally have a barracks boost session, probably less than per month over the course of my CoC playing life.

I also only tend to storage raid, even pre-update, though I will take a good collector raid if I can and I always try to win trophies in every raid I do.

[JakeTheGrate]

Looking back through, I'm not even sure what we were arguing about. Sometimes the wind blows so hard...

I think somewhere along the posts, we stepped on each other's toes and we were both offended by something small and it just snowballed.

[ayih]

im not trying to say one way is better than another, clearly you have a preference. I was only trying to point out that those that like the update and are claiming better loot post update likely play the game differently and have an alternate view of efficiency. For them, 30 minutes of game time is 30 minutes of game time, wether that game time is continuous or spread out over 6 raids during the day.

I agree. What I want to know is what are they doing now that they didn't do before the update? I keep seeing the word better getting thrown around and the proof they give is 1 lucky big raid screenshot.

To me this update penalized players (not all but enough to cause a scene) who were good at farming large amounts of loot per hour. It seems this update benefits those who play the least. You can log on for 2 minutes to que an army then log off for 1 hour. The log back on and search for 10 minutes and attack. Then start the process over. Players who like this option probably love the update. But those that actually like to play are being penalized. I don't see the point in playing a game that doesn't occupy my time when I want it to. Isn't the entire purpose of a game to occupy our time?

[Jaelle68]

there are two ways to look at efficiency. Loot per hour as you define it or loot per raid. In the second definition, if you were a log on/log off attack every couple of hours type of player, your loot per raid has likely increased. On the other hand if you remain logged in for hours straight, training cheap and fast troops and sniping league bonus in between raids, I would imagine your efficiency has dropped dramatically.

Clearly supercell designed the changes to improve the experience for the log on/log off style of play.

Well, I'm a logon/log off player... and things are worse for me since the update, not better. Less progress, less fun.
Guess I'm a bad player and don't have the skills level that SC want post-update...

[Jaelle68]

No it isn't. Everyone knows this sort of game gets updates.

Updates don't usually change the rules and the ecosystem of a game near anything as what was done here though

[JakeTheGrate]

Well, I'm a logon/log off player... and things are worse for me since the update, not better. Less progress, less fun.
Guess I'm a bad player and don't have the skills level that SC want post-update...

My second account is a On/Off for collectors and Mines and war account. I do nothing else on that account. I have started working on getting all my collectors and mines upgraded. I log in once every couple days and I've always only been raided once and then my stuff is full.

[OMCKG]

A few years ago a burger chain came out with a 1/3 lb burger to compete with McDonalds 1/4 lb burger. The 1/3 lb burger was the same price as the 1/4 lb burger. The plan failed because the average person thought 1/4 was bigger than 1/3.

Another example is. Sometimes we get emails scams. It's common for them to have many typos. They do this on purpose. They feel if a person isn't smart/observant enough to see a typo they will be an easy mark. So anyone who responds is usually not very bright and easy to con money out of.

A study was conducted on luck. They picked random people to see if luck existed. A part of that test was giving all the subjects a newspaper and on 1 of the pages was a coupon to receive $100. Those that claimed to be lucky saw the add and those that felt unlucky didn't see the add. They concluded lucky people were just more observant.

It doesn't surprise me when people don't see or understand how this update made it harder to get loot. Sure you may see big numbers but your loot per hour has dramatically decreased. I get about 75% less loot per hour since the update.

I have a question for those who think the loot is better: How much loot per hour did you gain before the update? If you can't answer that simple question, how can you say it's better?

People don't realize the "economy issue". With TH snipes and dead bases gone, we now only have collectors to fuel the economy. They only generate about 600k per person per day. Is this enugh for walls? No. And let's not forget the black holes called troop cost and nexting cost...

[NateH]

Well, I'm a logon/log off player... and things are worse for me since the update, not better. Less progress, less fun.
Guess I'm a bad player and don't have the skills level that SC want post-update...

Sorry to hear you are struggling... And I guess I should have been more specific in defining the type of player that likes the update. They log on/log off and attack 5-6 times per day using big armies that go for storages and the town hall (and are good at it).

As an anecdotal example, my town hall 9 mini struggled to get past crystal 1 pre update and a 1500 de raid was a good raid for me. Post update the account is vaulted to master 1 and 2500 de raids against other town hall 9's are easy to find. Gold and elixir from storages are about the same, but the league bonus is dramatically higher. I will likely max out town hall 9 a couple of months sooner as a result of the update.

that said, I understand everyone is at different upgrade levels and has different skill levels. If you enjoy the game and the tactics of attacking then I have no doubt you will improve with practice.