Lets try and help the SC Developers instead of hating on them...

[Homario]

You should just quit. The game is better off without you.

Look into a mirror and repeat this phrase to yourself...way to be constructive

[SCODE]

I agree that they missed the mark as far as this update is concerned but like I have said the main purpose of this update was to get rid of the bots and introduce TH11... The next update was going to be war centric with balances for war and maybe a tournament module as well so I don't agree that the messed up clan wars for lower townhall on purpose rather it was an unfortunate side effect...
They increased the size of the map and hence felt the need to increase attack time and the extra dark spell was to encourage air attacks at higher lvl so that you could fit in a poison spell with maybe a double zap quake...

If they wanted to simply earn money via dark elixir they could have made the grand wardon an de upgrade instead of elixir or even introduced red elixir or any new resource even more expensive than de for that purpose... Just adding a spell for money doesn't make too much sense...

I am into vfx and run dynamic simulations the whole day to simulate natural phenomenon and let me tell you straight up that programing a simulator for the clash economy will be more complex then making clan itself and still it will not even come close to predicting the impact of the changes... Humans are very innovative and creative and building an ai to simulate that is a very complex task... Only available method is to implement the changes and observe the changes..

But I agree that that they should have made changes one by one and not all at once... That makes a lot of sense...

They tried to address the clouds but it back fired on them because most of the non gemming TH10s dropped to silver to Farm and the townhall snipping bot were eliminated further thinning the population in the higher leagues and thus increasing the clouds...

I agree that the witches should have been better balanced at launch and the nerf to skeletons was a rushed decision but from all the bugs itself it's very clear that this update was very rushed and pushed out the door in time for Christmas... Then might have been discussing TH11 for a very long time but spent very little time implementing it unfortunately...

Even the new defence is a joke and doesn't work as planned... It takes too long to activate and is very slow and by the time it's fully active it gets destroyed so lots of changes are needed there as well but again the intentions were right but the failed in the execution...

ye i agree with you though a few points:

They didn't get rid of the bots, there's a few botters in my clan and they now farm dead bases in bronze for less than they used to snipe in masters. They still max their gold and pink in under a day and spend more gems than anyone else on hero time since they trigger an upgrade every few days. If they wanted to get rid of bots they should have banned anyone who nexted before the clouds cleared, anyone who raided 24/7 or anyone who exceeded a certain number of attacks in a day. There was a guy in the forum a month ago who did 70,000 attacks in a month and he got lauded as some sort of hero, he attacked once every 37 seconds (biggest botter ever) for a month lol and advertised it here with no repercussions. In summary if SC wanted rid of botters they failed.

wars being messed up as an unfortunate side effect you say... i have to disagree there to me that's a development/testing failure. The game is small with not many knock on impacts. When you introduce a new troop you see how it plays at that level, the knock on effects are simply how it affects raiding one townhall level down and how it affects peoples CCs . introducing DE spell donations and extra time at th10 and above sounds fine to me. They should have at least considered how one of the key tactical defensive pieces, the clan castle, is rendered useless by double poison (unless you take a lava/pekka/golem all of which are useless against air attacks... the very attacks SC nerfed a few months ago have now been boosted, it's so uncoordinated)

similarly no-one ever complained about 3min being too short at th8. the expansion of the map has minimal impact on gameplay at th8 as you still have the same number of buildings and they don't defend so well when massively spread out so if someone does use larger bases they get crushed easier and the time constraint of 3min still isnt a problem. My point is simply that thought de spell donation and extra time SC have made th8 and 9 easier in war when no-one asked for this and it appears they did this because they didnt even think through how the additional time and spells would impact the various townhall levels.

the introduction of double zap quake - it's pretty useless at th10, it's an option at th9 but not something anyone needs when they can have 4EQ plus 3 normal spells or 2 pois plus 4 normal spells. At th8 it suddenly gives drag users a free rage, which they did not need. if they wanted th10s to have an extra space for haste they could simply have given them an extra DE spell slot or allowed DE spell donation just for them and above. It seems coding this was beyond a multi billion dollar company.

"If they wanted to simply earn money via dark elixir they could have made the grand wardon an de upgrade" well DE spell donation affects everyone not just th11s, it's a DE drain on the economy and coincidentally the slowest upgrades in the game, the heroes, run off of DE. Now the main reason i think they put this feature in to earn money is because there are no reasons to put it in to enhance gameplay, it simply makes the wars easier when no-one wanted that, and renders defensive CCs for farming more redundant since very few players hold lava hounds in their defensive CC out of war.

Why the GW is elix based is a mystery for everyone lol

i agree simulating clash would not be easy, however with $5m per day theyhave more options than most companies and they could atleast estimate the impact of changing loot bonus to a sliding scale based on damage done and realise they've reduced loot bonus.

anyway just my thoughts, i think the SC dev team have underperformed with this update. TH11 isnt great, trophy pushing is worse, war is easier, farming is harder, they could have made so many useful tweaks and put in great new features and it's been a huge let down for a lot of people. the way they gave out so little info at clashcon was a dissapointment, the huge gap til after that til the update, the trickle of sneak peeks, the complete absence of comment from SC, the whole process has been woeful. I'd give them constructive feedback but either they do not care, or they do care but they're not competent enough to implement things properly

[hhggff]

Feedback is indeed everywhere.

CONSTRUCTIVE feedback? Not so much.

Critizism always came with both negative and positive. You surely can't expect everyone to sugar mouthing SC. Sometime the best feedback is the most negative critizism

You should just quit. The game is better off without you.

Goodluck sticking your nose in their behind. Maybe someday you will get a spot in their company

[Radiating]

You should just quit. The game is better off without you.

Let's not turn this into a flame war please.

[printCRLF]

they dont wanr our help. they are on vocation

[Sparky692006]

How can us and ♥♥♥ work together, if they don't ever show there faces in the forum to say something like.....

that at a good point
im not sure at that as it will fail due to this and that etc....

this is forum is more like throwing a ball in a field....it will never ever return once you thrown the ball

[JJ2478]

Rather than quit for a while, play the update. Try getting to a higher league and using storage targeted attacks. Play the game they envisioned when they came up with these changes. Then make educated assumptions, based on your experience, about oversights in that vision. Provide examples, give data, take suggestions, and repeat it all again.

That's really the best thing we all can do.

Exactly. I'm mixed about this update, just too many features at once.Changed the game too much, made it totally different. New clash is still good, just too different from old clash, not many people like it as much. I'm one of those people(I probably have contradicted myself so many times these last few weeks ,I liked it, then hated it, then mixed, then I hate it again)

[chetanpatkar]

Our support is derived from our criticism. Many of us post because we care.

No one doubts ur intent!!! All of us play this game and love it a lot... My point is that if v only criticize and hate then it will only produce more hate and a defensive attitude from them... I feel that if v offer constructive criticism and feedback in a supportive environment it will help a lot more...

[noobishnoob]

I am sure the SC Developers are hard at work trying to sort this mess out...

The Objectives of the Update were -
1. Killing the bots
2. Making everyone defend
3. Increasing quality of life of every clasher by eliminating the need to tap the screen every few mins
4. Getting rid of the 1 trophy offers for top players
5. New townhall level
6. UI improvements
7. Miscellaneous Game Balancing (Spell donation, Freeze for TH9, Extra Space on map, Extra time for attack, etc)

1. Didn't really work
2. And lose tons of loot. Instead of rewarding good defense, it is in fact punishing it, because you don't get a shield.
3. ?
4. Okay... nothing too good
5. Probably the "only" thing deserving appraisal
6. Okay...
7. Liked this one; Freeze spell at th9 is a great addition.

[TheDefianceAlliance]

I am sure the SC Developers are hard at work trying to sort this mess out...

The Objectives of the Update were -
1. Killing the bots
2. Making everyone defend
3. Increasing quality of life of every clasher by eliminating the need to tap the screen every few mins
4. Getting rid of the 1 trophy offers for top players
5. New townhall level
6. UI improvements
7. Miscellaneous Game Balancing (Spell donation, Freeze for TH9, Extra Space on map, Extra time for attack, etc)

I feel all of these things were planned with a good intention to improve the game not with the sole purpose of making more money... They are already making ton of money all they have to do is keep it going...

But there were some unforeseen problems... Hindsight is 20-20... We can criticize them for not having the foresight to see all of these things coming like many of us had warned them when the sneek peeks were announced but v are all human after all and mistakes are part of being human... Having said that being humans is all about learning from our mistakes and making corrections while not repeating our mistakes... I hope and believe that SC will make the necessary corrections and fix the game!!!

But just spare a though for the Developers... They just introduced a big update which has received unprecedented criticism from the community... Thats more than enough to make anyone defensive and cautious... After all they dont want to make the same mistake again otherwise things could get worse...

So v should support them and offer them constructive feedback and ideas on how they can eliminate the bots and still bring back some mindless grinding for loot for the farmers...

My personal choice is Events because they will be different and original each time which the bots will have no way of exploiting...

I am going to take a break from clash and give them some space to work this whole mess out and for all the farmers who are hurt I implore them to stop criticizing SC and instead support them by offering them constructive feedback and ideas in the respective subforums... Thats the only way to get this sorted out asap... Criticism and Hate will only slow down the process...

Wishing Everyone a Very Happy New Year with a brand New Clash with a new twist which will make it even BETTER!!!

How can we "help" them when they refuse to acknowledge the issues. And dont bother quoting mods please.