I've Had About All I Can Take

[Rykan]

Responses in bold.

That was my point, Mario....assumptions add nothing to the conversation (fought fire with fire to make a point).

Sniping, like gemming, has been around since the beginning of the game, and considering someone from the SC STAFF said removing shields from snipes would be a BAD IDEA in a thread several years ago, I think you're wrong there when you say "sniping wasn't intended."

"Sniping was intended to be part of the game until SC deemed that it wasn't mean to be" -brilliant.

[Rayzord]

How does a dragon fit in there anyway?

On the original subject:
The TH was supposed to be the most important, but there was a perverse incentive for people to treat it as the least important.
SuperCell removed that incentive.

What TH sniping was was an accident and it was a pretty good accident that made them tons of money. It worked for 3 years and made SC the billion dollar company that it is.

That argument can be applied to the lower leagues as well. SC didn't intend for TH to be the least important right and it worked right? SC wants us to defend and attack more and go into higher leagues is that not correct? Now what are the majority of people doing in CoC currently? Dropping trophies. Town hall being inside their bases/NO TH sniping is a perverse incentive for people to go down in leagues and farm off of each other and dead bases. What will be the consequence? Remove lower leagues so then everyone becomes a trophy pusher?

[Apollo1976]

I can not believe what I am reading from some of you. TH Sniping has been part of the game for ages and IMO, there was nothing immoral or unethical about it. Players put their TH out so they could get a cheap shield and protect their loot. They traded trophies for loot. That's all.

The exploit came when players realized that they could climb up in trophy count by searching for Townhalls that were outside, thus some in the playing community decided to trap their townhalls, thus impeding the snipers progress.

I personally never wanted to give someone free cups, so I always kept my TH in my core, and if someone wanted to get my loot, or the league bonus, they would have to fight my base for it. However, by increasing the league bonus, AND rewarding gems for achievements from making it into some of the higher leagues, Supercell basically forced this behavior.

The only needed change was to make the town hall a resource building. This would give players pause to put their town hall outside their base because they would know that by doing so, they would now lose more loot AND drop in trophies.

Granted, many people would not care and still leave their TH out IF the loot gained from sniping their town hall was not substantial(like right now).

Why didn't supercell just make the townhall a resource building that awarded a substantial percentage of your loot? Like maybe 5% for example. So if you had 5M Gold, 5M Elixir, and 100K Dark, you would lose 5% of each if they took your TH.

That is 250KGold, 250K Elixir, and 5K dark. I mean that is a pretty substantial loss, and I am guessing many players would simply move their TH inside. Some may think that is an acceptable loss and leave it out knowing they just paid for a shield.

That change alone would have solved the issue. Players would have to make a choice, using the game mechanics to their advantage or not.

As far as comparing the bunnies to TH snipers, that is crazy talk...this behavior was created by Supercell as soon as they started awarding both Gems and loot bonuses for higher leagues.

[JRG18]

That's a bit of an assumption. They work for their bases IRL? Or maybe they're trust-fund-babies or spoiled, overpayed, or simply unencumbered by the burden a social life? lol


Gemming is not a LEGIT way to do anything -it is a cheap (as in underhanded), pathetic way (imo) to satisfy a need for instant gratification.

I assure you that most barchers, gibarchers, snipers, and every other person out there like em....did not achieve progress at a monumentally faster rate than "skilled" go-anything/lava-whatever users.

Dead bases render an average of about 250k of each...and most of them troop-dump just like you gowipers and other storage-raiders do (which means a considerably smaller yield...for a considerably faster camp). In essence, they progress at similar rates.

So, arguing that it's an advantage or unfair is a moot point. Take your alleged skills and impose the need for it on the masses in clan wars -leave MM to the casuals.

Taking your GG and divide it by your multiplayer battles you get an average of about 78000 net per raid. Deduct your troop costs and what does that leave you with? It's understandable someone that used th snipes so liberally to have such a nice base with those pretty walls would now be as upset they can't progress as fast. No need to hit on storage raiders and call them troop dumpers. I have always done it, and had my fair share of th snipes as well just obviously not as many, but my average doing the same math is still double yours. It's also understandable my base is not as advanced. Do you really think you earned it all, or glorify what you've done having spent considerably less than gemmers? Just trying to get on the same page as you man. I want to understand.

[themariofan]

That was my point, Mario....assumptions add nothing to the conversation (fought fire with fire to make a point).

Sniping, like gemming, has been around since the beginning of the game, and considering someone from the SC STAFF said removing shields from snipes would be a BAD IDEA in a thread several years ago, I think you're wrong there when you say "sniping wasn't intended."

"Sniping was intended to be part of the game until SC deemed that it wasn't mean to be" -brilliant.

I put quotes around intended because I agree that that reasoning was a load of bull. I do, however, believe that the TH should actually be worth protecting. Yes, I had a farming base pre-update, and yes, I sniped.

[Rykan]

Taking your GG and divide it by your multiplayer battles you get an average of about 78000 net per raid. Deduct your troop costs and what does that leave you with? It's understandable someone that used th snipes so liberally to have such a nice base with those pretty walls would now be as upset they can't progress as fast. No need to hit on storage raiders and call them troop dumpers. I have always done it, and had my fair share of th snipes as well just obviously not as many, but my average doing the same math is still double yours. It's also understandable my base is not as advanced. Do you really think you earned it all, or glorify what you've done having spent considerably less than gemmers? Just trying to get on the same page as you man. I want to understand.

Here's some math for you: Take my 15,000ish TH snipes and multiply it by 20k loot bonuses (even though snipes were virtually non-existent post-gold), and what does that leave you with? -roughly 25% of my 1.3B GG and that's only if I grossly exaggerate the numbers in your favor to suit your personal bias.

So, you're saying that my "nice base with pretty walls" is a result of the 300M in loot from sniping that couldn't even pay for 101 of my 250 LAVA walls and 150ish MAGMA?

My snipes probably rendered an average of 5-8k (gold 3 was the sweet spot for me for my entire clashing experience til th10). But you go ahead and keep on calculating based on variables you applied a biased constant to...cuz that's so constructive.

[Anabelle0]

I can not believe what I am reading from some of you. TH Sniping has been part of the game for ages and IMO, there was nothing immoral or unethical about it. Players put their TH out so they could get a cheap shield and protect their loot. They traded trophies for loot. That's all.

TH sniping was not against the ToS like using mods to change the rules of the game. Of course everyone who wanted to farm put their TH outside, and of course everyone who saw a TH outside grabbed it.

People putting the TH outside traded trophies for protection from raiders, not just loot. That is a subtle difference.
Ask yourself:
1) Why should the least important building (judging by where all the farmers put it) grant a shield?
2) Why should it be possible to trade trophies for loot?
3) What value does a perverse incentive that encouraged people to deliberately lose battles add to SuperCell as a business?

I think SuperCell asked themselves these questions and the update was their answer.

[clashnabit]

OP is a broken record savior trying to get more disciples, but the few he has are loyal.

[Rayzord]

TH sniping was not against the ToS like using mods to change the rules of the game. Of course everyone who wanted to farm put their TH outside, and of course everyone who saw a TH outside grabbed it.

People putting the TH outside traded trophies for protection from raiders, not just loot. That is a subtle difference.
Ask yourself:
1) Why should the least important building (judging by where all the farmers put it) grant a shield?
2) Why should it be possible to trade trophies for loot?
3) What value does a perverse incentive that encouraged people to deliberately lose battles add to SuperCell as a business?

I think SuperCell asked themselves these questions and the update was their answer.

Do you agree with their answer?

[BurkeKnight]

Do you agree with their answer?

I agree with it.

I agree with the reasoning.
I agree with them doing it.
I do NOT agree that they should have waited three years to do it, though.