18 Days, and this is where Clash stands

[ThornUnderSea]

TH8, maxed except for 83 more walls.

I don't have a use for the Elixir I make so I burn it in high cost armies for raids. I can't let too much E be stored or I will get raided.

Same thing for DE. Use it or lose it. I burn it fast on expensive armies.

I take these horriblely expensive armies and I hunt for gold. I don't have a real concern about ROI. My goal is to make it past 500k in a playing session.

So I can immediately put that into another block of wall.

Done right, I have burned all my E and DE or horrendous raiding armies and put my G profit into walls.

I plan to play until all my walls are finished and current gems are used. No point in upgrading my TH. TH9 is going to be impossible with the absence of loot and the new PvP matching method.

So. I'm part of the loot problem, even as I play the game "the way it is meant to be played."

SC needs to think real hard about what the "fix" will do. The CoC economy is very complex and any tweak with likely have a multitude of unintended consequences as players each act in their own perceived self interest. That will range from irrational acts (29% attackers) to rage quits due to frustration with an "impossible" game.

Personally, I am not optimistic that they will put much thought into the tweaks. Given how willing they were to make a single, huge change like removing TH snipping, I don't expect the next moves to be any more thoughtful or precise.

Good luck fellow Chiefs. I will continue to drain resources in the fashion that benefits me. I expect each of you to play in your own self interest (or walk away).

[m4thw1z]

Why are people upset about the lack of dead bases?
1. they can no longer use cheap armies to farm efficiently (and effortlessly if you consider that a bad thing)
2. MUCH LESS LOOT INJECTED INTO THE ECONOMY

Storage raids add nothing to the economy whatsoever, for the 300k you raid each time, you waste gold on searching bases and elixir on training armies, yet these loses don't go to the defender, they disappear forever. Without the dead bases, the economy is gonna dry up very fast, soon enough, you'll no longer see those juicy storages you now raid.

Don't assume people are sad just because they rely on dead bases raids, most of us are sad because the economy is becoming worse everyday. I have a mini that's max TH5, I use it for wars only so I only log in every two days. In the past 14 days it never got raided, even with full collectors. If it was raided, the attacker could get at least 100k each time, that's 100k gone because my base is not available to anyone.

Do you know where the loot in storages comes from? Collectors. In an active base the user collects their pumps and mines to put it into storages. They also fill storages with raids against other people who created loot with collectors and either put it in storages or had not collected it yet.

I used to see dead bases all of the time. Almost one per day. For the last 12-18 months I have seen them maybe once a month or less. I really dont think a huge source for the economy is collector raids. Could it help? Sure, but the economy isnt going to crash because of it because I think they are as rare now as they have been for a while.

What has changed is the bases with tons of loot cant hide behind a cheap TH snipe any more.

[mcbacker]

Th 11 (10 maxed) here, finding decent loot in M2.

[ThePuritan]

Do you know where the loot in storages comes from? Collectors. In an active base the user collects their pumps and mines to put it into storages.

An active user spends the loot in their storages on upgrades and training troops.

An inactive user doesnt. For them, it exists only to be taken and added into the greater pool of available resources that everyone can take. It makes the storages of the attacker that much better to the next person scouting them and it ABSOLUTELY adds to the excitement of the game to the player that finds it.
...which, as a gaming company, that should be a huge factor in this debate.

[Kenshingumi]

Heck, no problem looting for me. Currently raiding with 16 giant and wiz, 6 calls rest wbs and arch. Avg 2500 dark and 300k in total loot. In crystal 3 avg 10 nexts. No problem looting on my 8.5 or my th8 either. Just using a little stronger armies then before.

[Hamoodi99]

Sc cant fix the game now, there is no point to return

every game no matter how successful it is, it must die someday

ppl are leaving coc , this is very true, coc will die within months from now

TH sniping nd bonus during cooking army and free shield were the true balance

Right now, no one can upgrade high lvl defences unless he plays 3-5 hours on daily basis ( not reasonable)

ppl will find other games

[JonT]

Yep, never said it was not a problem.....

Storage raids are everywhere, but collector raids are very, very rare. Probably that's why you say that there is bad loot. However, army costs are the problem here.

Exactly. Loads of loot, hard to get it economically.

[flodder]

Fall down.. and continuous falling...

[Goempel]

Sub 200 trophies is where all the good dead bases are at. Ever try going there? Theres a reason why you bump back up so fast....

Been there, I get bumped back up to Gold 2 every time I log off.

[Goempel]

I want an end to this complaining! This is not the thread to submit your complaints! This is not a complaining thread, unlike most others. So be warned, do not post any complaints in this thread! I am stating facts about where the game stands, and how the economy is for most of us. I did not entitle forumers who want to argue or complain to do so in this thread. Carry On