18 Days, and this is where Clash stands

[Goempel]

Oh no u cant find dead bases. the loot is fine. you just want a bigger profit, thats all. So they made it so you have to actually attack someone with a decent army. adapt or quit.

Don't have to quit or adapt if I don't want to, I am not really complaining, I am stating FACTS about the game, so don't assume this is another complaining thread, because your mighty wrong if you think it is.

[arieoreos]

I started living off dead bases after the update, and I'm getting loot faster than pre update. Same with my entire clan. And other clans. If you say it's a fluke, well, I can tell you that if a decent portion (>30%) of players get good loot today, and the rest don't, then it is indisputable that many of the 30% know something that the rest don't, something pretty easy to see.

If you don't know what it is, I'll make an outline:
1. Don't use gowipe. You are literally the source of any elixir problems. Gibarch can core th9s, and gets at least 4 storages on th10.
2. If you can't find loot within 5 searches, that doesn't mean loot in that area sucks. Many people say that they traveled from m1 to bronze in one day, which basically proves that they didn't actually spend enough time testing the waters at each league.
3. Dead bases are still alive. Me and many others still live off of them. I actually started to live off of them POST update.

[Tucsy]

I changed to red font the problem with your entire argument. It is also the problem with almost every argument I have seen.

If you are surviving completely off of dead bases then you were doing it wrong. Yeah, it is awesome to find a dead base every once in a while. I found one last night, 600k gold and 700k elixer. I was so excited. But a majority of my GG, EE, and HH are from getting inside the base and taking loot from storages. I get 200-300k/200-300k at a time using GiBarch troops that would work just as well for a TH8 or TH9 with a different ratio. Because of my reliance on spells with my heroes down I am simply treading water with elixer. I feel bad for you if you are hunting elixer. But if I were then I would use less spells and more troops or spells that use dark elixer. Kind of like now I dont use any DE.

You were relying on dead bases. It was an awesome perk but you became reliant on something that the game makers have stated that they did not intend. Now there are many more bases with more loot available and you have to go get it if you want it.

Why are people upset about the lack of dead bases?
1. they can no longer use cheap armies to farm efficiently (and effortlessly if you consider that a bad thing)
2. MUCH LESS LOOT INJECTED INTO THE ECONOMY

Storage raids add nothing to the economy whatsoever, for the 300k you raid each time, you waste gold on searching bases and elixir on training armies, yet these loses don't go to the defender, they disappear forever. Without the dead bases, the economy is gonna dry up very fast, soon enough, you'll no longer see those juicy storages you now raid.

Don't assume people are sad just because they rely on dead bases raids, most of us are sad because the economy is becoming worse everyday. I have a mini that's max TH5, I use it for wars only so I only log in every two days. In the past 14 days it never got raided, even with full collectors. If it was raided, the attacker could get at least 100k each time, that's 100k gone because my base is not available to anyone.

[arieoreos]

Don't have to quit or adapt if I don't want to, I am not really complaining, I am stating FACTS about the game, so don't assume this is another complaining thread, because your mighty wrong if you think it is.

Yes, but because it is somewhat similar to other threads (but definitely more respectful) and that many people are turning this into a complaining thread by complaining, we are treating basically everything but the op as a complaining thread.

[Harrisman24]

Yep, never said it was not a problem.....

Storage raids are everywhere, but collector raids are very, very rare. Probably that's why you say that there is bad loot. However, army costs are the problem here.

That's also another problem. Weak bases with full storages are getting more rare every day, and that basically enforces you to attack a max TH11/10/9 depending on your TH level.

Yup yup yup yup yup yup.

[Starsb4lootjl]

Re design your base so they dont get your storage

Simples

I did redesign and now I get chipped away at in small amounts but not receiving a shield yet losing small amounts several times an off period really adds up.

[dansta31]

Sub 200 trophies is where all the good dead bases are at. Ever try going there? Theres a reason why you bump back up so fast....

[nerf713]

Sub 200 trophies is where all the good dead bases are at. Ever try going there? Theres a reason why you bump back up so fast....

I actually did 2 days ago..... It takes 30 seconds to find a base, and most are premmie TH7 with literally nothing. Don't go down.

[m4thw1z]

Not necessarily, just because I mentioned dead bases doesn't mean I lived off of them. I did more dead base raids than I did storage raids, yes. But to assume I live off of them is invalid.

Since the only information you gave about how bad the economy was is the dead base comment then I dont see how I could assume anything different.

I remember waaaay back in my early days of CoC that I used to search until I found a "dead" base. Even back then when a 800k+ of each raid was fairly common I wouldnt say that more than half of my raids were dead bases. That seems silly to me. I maybe found one of those bases every day or two. Then I would have about 10-100 snipes depending on activity. Finish that off with 2-7 storage raids. One thing I definitely remember about those days was that I spent tons and tons of gold hitting next.

Fast forward to today and I no longer look for snipes but if I find one I get excited. I never hit next more than 50 times and most of the bases I hit next on have 400k/400k but the base is designed too well for my GiBarch. If I ever find that the poorly designed bases are gone then I will build stronger troops and attack all of these bases I have been skipping.

Now that you have said you had more dead bases than storage raids here is my theory:

Prior to the update you looked for snipes and dead bases. When you could no longer find any of those you gave in and tried a storage raid. But you only had troops for the aforementioned bases. The same reason I am skipping high loot bases, too good for the troops you brought. Now that there are no more snipes you are left to hit next 200+ times but none of the bases are easy enough.

I have seen so many people start to mention the fact that they cant find dead bases. This leads me to belive that most of the complainers were looking for that almost exclusively. I find it hard to believe that you are not seeing loot. I see it constantly. I have fallen from 2600 cups to now below 1900 and I am in Gold league for the first time in over a year. The whole way 90% of the bases are full of loot.

[Carminep]

There is no "both sides" even those of us that like some of the changes understand that there are huge problems. Supercell can fix the bulk of the loot issues quickly just by upping loot creation, but that cuts into their bottom line. Really all the complaining in the world is not going to get a rise out of supercell. Money on the other hand will. You bet your bottom dollar that when sales drop,supercell will have the PR team kissing behind to fix this mess ASAP! Stop with the in game purchases if you want change. Period.

Exactly!!! Could not have said it better myself!!!