Complaints after new update?

[sbauer9]

The update is ok. The only problem is the elixer loot that you earn, it's impossible to earn elixer

And that is OK?

[Mavericks]

I'm sure the update was good for you, but many plays clash, and many plays clash differently. While the update enhanced game play for some, it made some very fundamental changes that displease much more people. From scanning the forum, I have seen two groups that seems to be happy with the update:

1) Some gemmed pushers (only some, as others have complain they cloud even more now)
2) Bruisers. I define bruisers as people who likes to run heavy expensive war like armies and they log in every 2 hours or so to do one heavy raid in champ+ leagues. They think the loot is great, but to efficient farmers it is not that great as their net income per time unit is lowish (due to slow cooking expensive army). Some bruisers feel vindicated as SC told them they are playing the game as "it was meant to be played", as in the past some bruisers got laugh at by their clannies for not knowing how to farm efficiently. IMHO, everyone plays clash for different reasons, everyone should be able to play their own way, and no one should be told to play a different way. Clash and let clash.

People who are upset:

1) Elite th9 war clans, the update made th9 easier to 3 star than before, thus elite th9 war clans are not as elite anymore.
2) Hardcore elite farmers. Shorter PBT than before, having to defend every 4 hours, and due to the removal of th sniping for loot, many th sniper in high leagues have migrated to low leagues, thus low leagues is over saturated, and farmers are finding less loot than before due to increase competition (many report their income per time unit is halved of pre update). Also, there has been increase report of inactive base going to the back of the queue (after 1-2 days they are not getting raided), while the match making queue are cluttered with active base with poor loot, or active base with loot (but no one wants to raid as it is very costly to raid, and you are likely to only get some of the loot).
3) Casual players. They got hit the hardest. Many are not making much net gains per day, thus they are making very little progress and many are quitting. Many clans also stated people aren't warring anymore as resource are too scared. The problem seems to be many clashers are actually casual clashers.

Well regarding this comment I will say I'm a 'bruiser'. I'll have to give a shot at the other styles to see how I go, when I get to TH9 by the looks of it I will be wrong about this update. I just find it hard to believe it really is this bad.

​Again though, looks like it really is.

[akhbh]

Unknown to many, there used to be many th outside in Titan 3. It was a heaven for th sniping, as I recall the bonus was around 200/200/1.5k+. Was this a problem for anyone (except SC as people were getting abundant free loot)? I don't think it was a problem for other clashers as no one complaint about it. I don't think it was a problem for pushers either as even in titan 2/low titan 1 sometimes they will come across some of these th out base in titan 3, and they would happily snipe it for +1 cups and the loot to supplement their expensive army. However, clearly we have MANY problems now, be it low league farmers, or even titan 1 pushers (some have complaint they can't find these titan 3 th snipes anymore, and there is more clouding than before, possibly due to th snipers dropping from titan 3 to low leagues as they can no longer generate income from th sniping in titan). Jonas stated th sniping accounted for 80% of all attacks, clearly it was used by many, and clearly once they took that away it would affect MANY as well, and cause a lot of upheaval and turbulence.

Never been there so i didnt knew about that
But that is what i was trying to explain
Coz OP asked "removing sniping in low leagues"
Good to see that he edited his disrespectful post

[Johnnysks]

Well regarding this comment I will say I'm a 'bruiser'. I'll have to give a shot at the other styles to see how I go, when I get to TH9 by the looks of it I will be wrong about this update. I just find it hard to believe it really is this bad.

​Again though, looks like it really is.

Well, no need to change your playing style if you enjoy what you are doing (clash and let clash). Running more efficient armies is only effective if you can raid often to capitalize on the potential time saving, but it is not for everyone. I maxed my th10 out a few months ago, I've stared down at the end game: it's an empty abyss. There is no need to sprint to the end, do whatever you enjoy. I was merely explaining why others, whose playing style may be very different from yours, detest the update (as that's what you were asking about).

[Reefus]

I'm a near max TH8.

You've experienced less than half the game content and are bashing th9s and 10s that dislike the update. The only townhall level that is easier to farm than th8 is, arguably, th7.

That's not my point. I just don't understand where it all comes from. My gameplay experience has bettered since the update, not gotten worse.
If I can be shown otherwise that's totally cool, I'm just one biased gamer who enjoys this game as most of us are.

The update didn't really adversely affect your gameplay. You are almost guaranteed a shield on most defenses, have ample targets to attack while shielded, and your upgrades cost half that of th9 upgrades and a quarter of th10 upgrades.

I go onto the the FaceBook page and all I see is 'bring old clash back', if you can show me why this is a good option it may open my eyes also. I'm not here to create argument even if argument does arise.

I realise now my OP topic was a tad hostile towards 'ungrateful whingers', just understand at the time of posting I literally saw no reason why the update could be anything bad.

A tad hostile? Why are you even bothering to complain about complaining. There are plenty of reasons for disliking the update. Scroll through the feedback thread if you honestly don't understand why veteran players are annoyed. If you can explain to those th9 and 10 players why the current clash is superior to the old then that's great, you are moving the conversation forward. Otherwise you're being worse than hypocritical. The complainers are upset with supercell for changing the rules on them two years into the game. You apparently are upset that they are upset.

When I get th9 I will see how the farming goes. As I've said I'm more than willing to accept I'm wrong here.

Or just wait to post until you have something meaningful or helpful to say.

Quick query though.
Do you guys agree stopping the 'th oustide' farmers at lower leagues a good move? Or not...

It would have been a great move three years ago. But if this is how the game was intended to be played why is it being changed now? Why was it introduced without fixing the underlying problems with the economy that the th snipe was bandaiding? Why are they introducing features like 2hr village guards that basically just restore the pbt that players used to have for free?

I doubt you know. Supercell does but they've been silent since dropping the update. Likely they're waiting for people that don't like the update to move on so they can start selling players like you gems. This is the new normal, sorry you didn't have a chance to experience the old clash as a late th9.

[Mavericks]

You've done some significant editing to your original post to remove the parts where you called us 'ungrateful whingers' who were 'kidding ourselves' etc... So yes, you insulted most of the forum and you know it. Your edited version is much improved.

I didn't understand and I made a mistake. I don't see how that is significant, and am understanding the other side of the story now. I'm pretty open to this so if you are worried about a measly insult which didn't really back up my point at all, nor had any part in the actual discussion, go ahead. But I won't be responding to it further.
Anything further you want to add to the topic now?

[Johnnysks]

IMHO OP is being open minded. Despite his initial slightly hostile post, I think he deserves credit for at least trying to listen and see things from both side.

[Mavericks]

Well, no need to change your playing style if you enjoy what you are doing (clash and let clash). Running more efficient armies is only effective if you can raid often to capitalize on the potential time saving, but it is not for everyone. I maxed my th10 out a few months ago, I've stared down at the end game: it's an empty abyss. There is no need to sprint to the end, do whatever you enjoy. I was merely explaining why others, whose playing style may be very different from yours, detest the update (as that's what you were asking about).

...and I thank you for that.
cheers 😄👍

[Saleh47]

I didn't understand and I made a mistake. I don't see how that is significant, and am understanding the other side of the story now. I'm pretty open to this so if you are worried about a measly insult which didn't really back up my point at all, nor had any part in the actual discussion, go ahead. But I won't be responding to it further.
Anything further you want to add to the topic now?

Thanks for editing it & I'm happy to have a conversation with someone who is openminded

[Johnnysks]

Thanks for editing it & I'm happy to have a conversation with someone who is openminded

...and I thank you for that.
cheers ����

Good stuff.

One thing I forgot to mention, the update also increase the penalty for hitting lower th. This very much adversely affect farmers, as to make efficient ROI, they typically will feed on bases one th lower. This also affects war clan/war loot as well, which has also been another sore point with the update. Seems like SC really wanted to push people to hit same th level with slow cooking bruising armies for less ROI and progression, which fundamentally nerfs efficient farming.