Unfair Trophy System?

[SergioClash]

Are you saying that being top 1 should only involve one's raiding skill? Dedication in terms of time, patience, strategy, shouldn't matter? Or are you insinuating that our bases should be more difficult to attack so we can demonstrate more skill as an attacker? I didn't quite get your reply. Forgive my english.

I'm saying it should involve more than a basic raiding skill yes. Right now it really doesn't. It is not your fault or mine, but TH10 is a flawed TH to be at as 2* is so incredibly easy to get with max everything. I think I have had 1-2 1* in the last 6-7 months and I'm not the most amazing attacker myself.

Time and patience? Sure, of course it should. But sitting 6-8 hours in the clouds is not really the time or patience I have in mind. I've been in high trophy play before as well, are you seriously telling me you enjoy the amount of time you are staring at clouds? This proves nothing besides who has more RL time to waste sitting around inactive.

Strategy. What strategy? Besides knowing other people or having multiple accounts in high lv gameplay to 'help' each other out with free defenses and keeping a push going 24-7? This is not strategy in my eyes, only game exploitation. Again, I've been in high cups and know some others in high cups in my country, everyone knows it happens. This doesn't even mention mod use up in high trophies.

All bases in high cups are pretty much maxed anyways, or 99% of them so they are at the most difficult to attack stage as it is. Base design only does so much as I've said before, 2* is easy. I'll repeat though, this is because TH10 gameplay is redundant, not our faults, only SC.

I appreciate you made it to #1 on global, I really do, I'm glad you met your goals. But flaunting it all over forums repeatedly isn't helping your case, it only makes you look bad with a huge ego as you try to get more followers on your social media sites. Most people will never be in very high cup play and won't understand what goes on up there. I have been and do understand, which is why I'm making comments about it. I'd simply be more impressed if skill was the major factor, which it isn't at this point and time in high lv CoC play.


English isn't my first language either, it is all good.

[MissJayAlexander]

Sergio, I applaud you.

You put in words what most of the forum community thinks.

[PedroLee]

I'm saying it should involve more than a basic raiding skill yes. Right now it really doesn't. It is not your fault or mine, but TH10 is a flawed TH to be at as 2* is so incredibly easy to get with max everything. I think I have had 1-2 1* in the last 6-7 months and I'm not the most amazing attacker myself.

Time and patience? Sure, of course it should. But sitting 6-8 hours in the clouds is not really the time or patience I have in mind. I've been in high trophy play before as well, are you seriously telling me you enjoy the amount of time you are staring at clouds? This proves nothing besides who has more RL time to waste sitting around inactive.

Strategy. What strategy? Besides knowing other people or having multiple accounts in high lv gameplay to 'help' each other out with free defenses and keeping a push going 24-7? This is not strategy in my eyes, only game exploitation. Again, I've been in high cups and know some others in high cups in my country, everyone knows it happens. This doesn't even mention mod use up in high trophies.

All bases in high cups are pretty much maxed anyways, or 99% of them so they are at the most difficult to attack stage as it is. Base design only does so much as I've said before, 2* is easy. I'll repeat though, this is because TH10 gameplay is redundant, not our faults, only SC.

I appreciate you made it to #1 on global, I really do, I'm glad you met your goals. But flaunting it all over forums repeatedly isn't helping your case, it only makes you look bad with a huge ego as you try to get more followers on your social media sites. Most people will never be in very high cup play and won't understand what goes on up there. I have been and do understand, which is why I'm making comments about it. I'd simply be more impressed if skill was the major factor, which it isn't at this point and time in high lv CoC play.


English isn't my first language either, it is all good.

Well, first, for you to perfect your raiding skill is really nice. Not the hardest, but to be able to reach that level is something. I myself can 2-3 star any given base at all times. But not all players has this skill.

Time and patience, I'm okay with whatever trophy system or ranking system this game offers. I have also Topped and maintained other games such as Summoners War, Avenger Alliance etc etc for months and basically everygame I play.,I always try my hardest to hit the top. There are games that offers no stop grinding and unlimited point system where you sit for hours just doing the same thing I don't care. In CoC you need to wait for raids for hours, I don't care either. Whatever any game offers me, I accept the challenge. In this game's case, I can't say it sucks because every game has their suckiness in them. I guess I just don't pay much attention and just tough it out. Yes I curse and have Hulk Smash moments. I used to complain a lot too in this forum but years later, got tired and decided to just do it. Why I do this, because it's fun for me.

Strategy, I never mentioned having friends on the top. Hey, I'm a farmer not an all time cupper, how would I know other people from other countries on the top? Almost none of them are in this forum. I'm not aware one can help theor friends at the top. I don't even see a single person I know in my raids. The strategy I'm talking about is Timing, when to login and do your 6h session. Base defense design, should be unique to actually win. Shield uses, when to use your shields. And of course a perfect 2-3 star raid skill.

Am I falunting that I'm the best a lot? Have you followed my every post? Do they give you that impression? Are you tired of my sig? Is ithat even my fault? As far as I'm concerned I've only made 1 thread about me hitting rank 1. 1 thread about being the fastest cupper from 4880 - 5006, 1 thread where I would want my name in the list of highest cupper. 1 thread of achievement where I realized I don't belong. What else, challenging a guy to hit the top which is supposed to give the guy a sense of challenge and not to be looked at as boasting.

I am well aware of this forum as I've been a member for over 3 years. I know how every post one makes can be turned against them. And I ignore them. It's just cool to sometimes have fruitful arguments as long as it doesn't turned bias or against the opposing argumenter if that's even a word. Haha

O well, it's hard to find quality threads these days. A lot of people will just turn against you for some unknown reason. That's just how it is. Just like clash of clans, farming and pushing system. They's all the same. Just look at them as challenges. We're all gamer anyway and we love that!

[Radyokafa]

Trophy system is absolutely normal. There is no solution to this or clouds (maybe reducing shield time but people can't play 7/24). It is well known fact that you have to stay online at least attack 2-3 times before you go defense if you are pushing. Also don't waste your army for small offers. Search for bigger offers. Searching is the key for both farming and pushing.

[OnyxDS]

Skawk all you want but I should be able to get more trophy when I get a high percent on a tough th9. I'll take two or three trophy so when I wax town hall 8's, because it's easy. But when I strat out a th9 and get 69% on a two star, then I expect more of a reward than "here is a single cup for you to cry into, because a town hall 9 is coming to take it and the other 19 away from you". Higher town halls should not get that benefit

No, that would be awful. What you are saying is that if you, and a TH9 at your level, attacked the same target for the same result, then you should get a bonus compared to the TH9 attacker. It may sound sensible because it's harder for you. BUT... what you are effectively saying is that you should be given a bonus because you are weak. The trophy system isn't supposed to reward weakness, it's supposed to reward and incentivise strength. If you've reached the point where you are seeing stronger targets than you, at lower trophies, then you either need to become stronger yourself, or deal with it. The system isn't supposed to give you some magical bonus to help you climb above stronger players.

I'm not saying this because the current system helps me. As a TH9 at 4500+ EVERY attack and defence is against a fully maxed TH10. Some sort of TH bonus would be a huge help to me personally. But it would be an awful, awful system. The fact I can climb even this high is due to the silly nature of the +59/-1 cup offers; giving me a bonus when attacking/defending against guys inside the top 200 just because I'm so much weaker would be insane.

As someone else said: if you want to do battles that reward weakness, do war. Multiplayer is intended to reward strong bases.

PS - the clouding and +59/-1 offers at the higher levels are very much broken. But that's a very different problem due to everyone staying online to try to avoid ever defending.

[Katipo]

I don't think this is fair...

This most certainly is not fair. I am at Master 2 and strike this sort of disparity with the majority of villages I get offered. Also there is no consistency whatsoever between villages. The trophy numbers bear little relation to the complexity of the village in question. It is as if they are being chosen at random. The system is broken and it is high time it was fixed.

[Awness]

What if SC really did fix the Cup System? What happens if WE ALL reached legends league? Won't we get reset to 5,000 cups at the end of each season? Then what? Attack again to see who gets the most cups? Only to get reset again and again? PFFFTTT!!!

I give up on these issues...

We've been had!!

[Ajax]

I don't think this is fair...

Why not?

Though the fact you think that possibly goes some way to explaining why you think it is "broken" too I suppose.

[Djgizz]

Personally I don't believe the trophy system is broken, it works exactly as it should, the more cups you have the more you lose by being attacked by a lower ranked player, the reverse goes the same attack a higher ranked player and you will win lots of cups what is the issue with this system??? SC even modified it a little while ago so you should only see TH lvl +1/-1 so a TH8 will mainly be matched against TH7 - TH9, TH9 will get matched to TH8's - TH10's and so on.

What the real issue is here is not the trophy system, but the matchmaking system. When searching for bases it definitely seems to give a lot more priority to bases below your current trophy level, which then gives you the bad trophy count. I have a TH9 in Champions League 3 and it is hard to find a good cup offer, most offers I get are from Masters 3 / Masters 2 which when your trying to go up in trophies doesn't help. However saying that I do always find an offer from a higher league with more cups available but it does take some searching.

I have no idea what the fix is for the matchmaking system as I can't quite understand how it works other than looking for TH's around my TH level.

[Ajax]

Say you get 10 trophies for a 1 star on a base at your level. If you attack 10 times a day, you would get 100 trophies a day. If you get 1 starred twice a day, you wold lose 20 trophies. This is irrespective of what trophy level you are. I think it's pretty obvious that you will keep gaining trophies every day that you play.

That is only if you are good enough to actually get at least 1 star on all of those 10 attacks.

You also have to remember that at the top, with the way the system currently is, it simply isn't possible to get 10 attacks per day unless you are not in work or school, as it takes an hour plus to find a target (often several hours from what I hear - see above where somebody found 2 attacks in a 6 hour session)

Now imagine that you're trying to catch someone that's been playing for 3 years. How are you ever going to be able to catch them? You're not, so it wold be impossible for you to ever reach the top ranks.

Most people don't spend all (or even most) of their playing career on trophy pushing.