Le'ts make this simple because our posts are becoming too long.Originally Posted by Nazrhael
Do you think it would be fair to organize 2v2 wrestling matches where on team would have 2 52kg players and the other team would have a 100kg player and a 4kg baby?
Because this is what it boils down to.
I read that as "I cannot refute your arguments therefore I ignore them." I hereby declare victory.
This is what you are doing... again: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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You know what 2 featherweight 145 pounders will absolutely destroy a 300 pound super heavyweight...
One tangle the legs looking for leg locks whilst the other one take advantage of the now immobile target, jump the back for a rear naked choke. BOOM the gorilla is down. You know, strategy?
However... this is not how Clan Wars work and you know this so this is completely irrelevant.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 03:12 PM.
Ok, then let's make this a clan wars argument.
Can 2 town hall 5 players defeat a town hall 5 + a defenseless town hall 7 with our current clan war rules?
You didn't lay down a single new argument, all you did was repeat your previously refuted arguments and (intentionally?) missed the point of nearly everything I wrote. We were going in circles so I stopped. Declare whatever you want.
Straw man yet again... No Clan Wars are 2v2... You really don't get it do you.
Because you are unable to refute any of my arguments. You propose a weaker straw man in every turn.
Q.E.D.
Logic, lost.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 03:53 PM.
All of this discussion about defenseless base misses a very important point:
Does a defenseless base actually help to win war?
If including a defenseless base actually hinders war effort instead, would Blissboom and Dorsan still consider it a form of ♥♥♥♥♥ing? It seems that bases that focus primarily (or solely) on offense are getting a bad rap by these posters. What about bases that focus primarily on defense upgrade? Is it a form of skewing and ♥♥♥♥♥ing as well? Personally I never read a post accusing a offenseless (or low offense) base of ♥♥♥♥♥ing. Since we know for a fact, that those accounts are detrimental for wars, is it the reason why those holier-than-thou posters are not targeting these kind of accounts? According to their logic, both types of accounts should be ♥♥♥♥♥ing because they are not upgraded according to the way the game is ‘supposed’ to be played.
So does a defenseless base really help to win war? Without a good understanding about weights and match making, it is foolish to advance a comment without ever playing with a defenseless or engineered base or being part of an engineered clan. I gather Blissboom and Dorsan never experience this and perhaps it is the reason of their numerous incorrect conclusions regarding defenseless accounts.
A lot of people get the incorrect perception that bases are matched on mirror vs mirror basis. Lets repeat, boys and girls: ‘’bases on war map reflect defense only’’. Lets take the example of a defenseless TH8 with TH8 offense, in a mix clan of TH6s to TH9s. On the war map, it will most likely mirror the lowest base from the other clan, probably a TH6. Many people will therefore deduct that this defenseless TH8 is matched with the TH6, which is wrong. Many people will also assume that this TH8 will attack the TH6, and perhaps another base above it, likely another TH6 or TH7, for an easy 6 stars. Hence, the wrong perception that these defenseless account are attacking weak opponents. In reality, I have played with defenseless accounts and this situation never happens. This TH8 will likely attack as high as its offense can carry, thus, likely hitting another TH8. In fact, if the defenseless is hitting anywhere lower than what its offense can do, it is not helping the clan.
So this defenseless TH8 is matched with what really? What kind of base does it attract in the war? In my opinion, most likely another TH8, with regular TH8 offense AND defense. Now you tell me, if this defenseless TH8 is really helping skewing the match making? Perhaps yes, but not to its advantage.
All of this matchup and weight omits the most important factor in determining war outcome and that is attacking skill. My engineered clan has a pretty good record, and most of it is due to attacking skill of our members. Give our clan and our engineered bases in the hands of anyone in global, and our win rate will likely be 50-50.
P.S. Dorsan: getting second account in not against game T&C.
Jesus, really? You have no clue what a straw man fallacy is so stop using that. And you also clearly can't extrapolate either, so let me make this specific enough for you:
Can a clan of 10 town hall 5 people defeat a clan of 5 town hall 10 people and 5 defenseless town hall 7s?
This is simply not true. So far we've been only matched with defenseless bases in 3 wars. In all 3 of those wars we didn't have an extra th9 for the enemy defenseless th9. We had the same number of th9s as them, same number of th8s as them and then for our 4 th7s they had 2 th7s and 2 defenseless th9s. And it was very similar in the other wars as well. So clearly the defenseless bases weren't counted as same town hall level upgraded bases at all.
Faulty generalisation. You are arguing for a single instance under your specific narrow parameters with your assumed match ups with no data packing that defenceless gives an impossible advantage to a clan, and therefore infer that this is the case for all instances. This is not how logic works. Sorry.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 04:27 PM.
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