How much strategy goes into a defenceless account? It's a cheap party trick to get easy match ups and a time waster for the clans u get matched with. Let's not try and put lipstick on a pig.Originally Posted by Nazrhael
How much strategy goes into a defenceless account? It's a cheap party trick to get easy match ups and a time waster for the clans u get matched with. Let's not try and put lipstick on a pig.
th12 / AQ 52 / BK 50 / GW 23 / WS 1500+
"Dedication" ie 2 much time on your hands, does not equal strategy. A defenceless account requires no strategy just a desire for an uneven playing field and patience. It's hardly rocket science to build one of these things. Build no defence, max offence, get easy match ups, try and beat up lower ths or ths that match your offence lvl. Job done. Trying to rig matchmaking cause u don't like fair match ups and calling it "strategy" is well painting the porcine with lipstick. Just like the bunnies and their barb drops and allllll that time they have on their hands to practice. Everyone has an excuse for not playing fairly it seems
Last edited by Blissbomb; October 23rd, 2015 at 11:14 AM.
th12 / AQ 52 / BK 50 / GW 23 / WS 1500+
You said cheap; it is anything but cheap. Any concious decision however simple or complex in the arrangements of one's village is strategical decision. Like it or not, having higher offence than defence is a simple yet effective strategy for Clan Wars.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 11:07 AM.
No. You are yet comparing something within the gaming framework with something that outside the framework that is strictly against T&C.
Your analogies are wrong. This is more akin to fighters cutting weight before weigh-ins to have a size advantage (completely legit) vs. banned performance enhancing drugs.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 11:23 AM.
It's got nothing to do with T&C. Both groups r looking to exploit the game because they don't wish 2 play on an even playing field. Just one group is exploiting in a different way to another but both r looking for an easier win. I think most clans enjoy a competitive war, that's y both groups r annoying time wasters and have so much in common.
but apart from anything else none of these things make up for real strategy and skill. Last defenceless war we played was against a th10 that had no defence, lvl 9 offence troops and royals in their 20s. And was ranked amongst his th7 clan mates. He 1 and 2 starred our Th9s. Fat lot of good all that patience got him, when our th9s were 3 starring theirs
Last edited by Blissbomb; October 23rd, 2015 at 11:40 AM.
th12 / AQ 52 / BK 50 / GW 23 / WS 1500+
Notice you did not list making secondary accounts in there.
Yeah, but that's not what people with defenseless bases do. They go up to th7 and then form a th6 clan and troll legit new players. Or go up to th9 and form a th8 clan. It's an insignificant percentage that will actually go up to 40/40 heroes on a defenseless accounts.
Arranging one's village is a strategic decision. Making multiple accounts just to rig the matchmaker isn't.
No it isn't. It is more akin to take a 100 kg fighter and a 4 kg baby to fight 2v2 vs 2 52 kg fighters. The 100kg fighter can just knock out both of the 52.5kg fighters and so they will win with 2 vs 1 knockout.
You keep acting as if this was a strategy about village building, but it isn't. It is making a SECOND account in order to help the first and it is cheap.
Irrelevant. First, 2nd, 3rd, Nth account and hot it is played has no bearings how it should be played. A player is free to develop their village(s) however they want.
You are making an assumption. From what I gathered you do not own a defenceless base and therefore you cannot make broad generalisations on what they do. You are making a straw man fallacy in every step to fit your particular agenda.
It is. Every village every move no matter how simple or complex is a strategic decision. Every move that has a tangible consequence is a strategic move. It really is that simple.
Again, you are making vast assumptions on the matchmaking system that is known to be wrong. Like Clan total trophy count top players will have a higher determination in the total weigh of the Clan. This was made long ago to prevent the straw man case you are putting out by having a few low THs to pull in significantly "lighter" match ups.
It really is. Making a offence heavy Village is not a two day job; it is months of hard work. I just don't see why everyone has to play the game in the exact way you dictate. Everyone can make it. You just prefer not to, that is your provocative. Don't go round spreading untruths making false arguments against other players just because you are obviously losing your Wars.
Again, who made you the CoC Village Development Authority? I've maxed my main and I want to have some fun with a 2nd account I am not allowed because you said so? I made a 2nd account so I can reliably donate maxed troops to myself but that is somehow not allowed. Haha funny one you are...
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 02:09 PM.
The entire purpose of a strategy game develop strategies within the confines of the game to gain an advantage. Other wise no strategies can exist... Everything within the game is legit or nothing is. You cannot draw an arbitrary line within the rules where you define as OK and not OK. That is Your perceived limited notion of strategy and not the games actual limits on strategy.
If such strategies are really failing and doing those players no good what so ever as you seem to be advocating then what is your problem with other players playing the game how they want without gaining an advantage? You just shot yourself in the foot right there.
Have fun.
You clearly have no concept about meta gaming and why it is wrong. Meta gaming is not strategy it isn't considered a strategy in any game and CoC isn't an exception.
I am not making an assumption. Defenseless bases are made with a single purpose and that is to be matched vs lower level town halls. Don't pretend you don't know this.
Yeah, right. Because defenseless town hall 9s are not placed between th7s, right? Wrong. They are in fact placed with th7s. A clan with half of th8s and half of defenseless th9s will be matched with th7-th8 enemy.
Actually you are the one spreading untruths and making false argumens. Just as you did right now. Here is our clan war history, so that much about your assumptions about me.
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You would be right if your actions wouldn't affect other people. But they do. This argument is the same as saying, I have already slept, and I don't care if other people want to sleep at 3am, I am going to go out to the streets and shout as loud as I can. You are free to do whatever you want as long as it isn't ruining the gaming experience of other people. And defenseless bases are doing just that in clan wars.
Ironic. Multiple accounts are not external factors of the game, neither is developing villages as the player see fit.
You are making an assumption about how the matchmaking system works. And I have told you that the specific example is incorrect because higher bases are given more weight in matchmaking. You have simply avoided the the argument by defending against a different point entirely. Nobody is arguing that defenceless bases are not created to have a strategical advantage in match up. However your false assumptions need to be corrected.
Clan Wars are matched on a whole Clan bases and not base to base basis, and as such your statements has no basis on how the Clans actually compare. I can only deduce you follow some sort of attack mirror formula which is strategically poor beyond belief.
If you are winning all these Wars against Defenceless Clans then obvious there is no matchmaking issue. Fantastic. Go home and get some sleep sir. You look like you need it.
Again, straw man. You are making a different argument to refute that is not mine. My 2nd account is purely for offence. I have full and every intention of affecting my opponents in a devastating fashion. If I don't want to affect my opponent, I would stick to the Goblin Maps... Much like your fellow Blissbomb you are drawing arbitrary limits on the game based on your own biased perceived notions on how the game should be played that are not the games actual limits.
I will repeat this to you too: The entire purpose of a strategy game develop strategies within the confines of the game to gain an advantage. Other wise no strategies can exist... Everything within the game is legit or nothing is. You cannot draw an arbitrary line within the rules where you define as OK and not OK. That is Your perceived limited notion of strategy and not the game's actual limits on strategy.
Good day.
Last edited by Nazrhael; October 23rd, 2015 at 02:48 PM.
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