The Longbow Experiment Post #4: Conclusions

[InsaneGoblinEater]

If you havent been following these posts i suggest you search the forums for threads called 'war for Dummies' and 'longbow experiment'. Otherwise you wont have a clue what this is about.

Well, we are now at won 53, lost 2, drawn 0. I have 35 consecutive wins, 13 perfect 30. The clan is now lvl 5 The 'unbeatables turned up around wars 35 and 45, but they have stopped being unbeatable.

This is because of two reasons. First I realised the skill level was going up, because the individual accounts were levelling up. SO i dropped the top th7 account, made the top th6 into th7 and put a new th5 at the bottom. This caused the matching to downskill back to start levels. I suspect every 50 wars this is what you would have to do, to keep the clan pinned at about 6000 points.

The other reason ive stopped losing is because my personal skill level with th6 and th7 drag rushes is now bordering on superexpert. Consider, ive done about 600 attacks with the same th6 army (40-50 archers, 8-10 giants, 8-10 ballons, 5 wallbreakers) or about 150 dragon rushes (8-9 lvl 1 dragons+ 1 lvl 3 drag). Almost none of the opposing th6 or 7's will have anything like this level of specific expertise


Which if I may quote The Architect "brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end."

The fundamental flaw is that personal skill level , account level, and clan level are not tied together. Therefore an anomalous hybrid of high personal skill, high clan level, single person multiple account population, and low account levels produces a clan that the clan matching rules cannot deal with in a normal way, and thus always ends up producing an easy win for the hybrid clan.

Now some of you might say you already knew this. Ive no doubt. But the point here is ive demonstrated beyond doubt, and precisely how it works in practice and what to expect as a result. I am confident you coudl get a clan to level 10, 130 exp at a time, and it would get easier and easier, and the material cost in gems, elixir and gold would be a fraction of the usual costs. The timescale , however would probably be much much longer.

Im done with the Clan Longbow experiment, it took me 6 months and was very interesting, but i need to find another game to take apart now.....

[Micker99]

If you havent been following these posts i suggest you search the forums for threads called 'war for Dummies' and 'longbow experiment'. Otherwise you wont have a clue what this is about.

Well, we are now at won 53, lost 2, drawn 0. I have 35 consecutive wins, 13 perfect 30. The clan is now lvl 5 The 'unbeatables turned up around wars 35 and 45, but they have stopped being unbeatable.

This is because of two reasons. First I realised the skill level was going up, because the individual accounts were levelling up. SO i dropped the top th7 account, made the top th6 into th7 and put a new th5 at the bottom. This caused the matching to downskill back to start levels. I suspect every 50 wars this is what you would have to do, to keep the clan pinned at about 6000 points.

The other reason ive stopped losing is because my personal skill level with th6 and th7 drag rushes is now bordering on superexpert. Consider, ive done about 600 attacks with the same th6 army (40-50 archers, 8-10 giants, 8-10 ballons, 5 wallbreakers) or about 150 dragon rushes (8-9 lvl 1 dragons+ 1 lvl 3 drag). Almost none of the opposing th6 or 7's will have this level of specific expertise


Which if I may quote The Architect "brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end."

The fundamental flaw is that personal skill level , account level, and clan level are not tied together. Therefore an anomalous hybrid of high personal skill, high clan level, single person multiple account population, and low account levels produces a clan that the clan matching rules cannot deal with in a normal way, and thus always ends up producing an easy win for the hybrid clan.

Now some of you might say you already knew this. Ive no doubt. But the point here is ive demonstrated beyond doubt, and precisely how it works in practice and what to expect as a result.

Im done with the Clan Longbow experiment, it took me 6 months and was very interesting, but i need to find another game to take apart now.....

Our clan never lost a war with only th8 and lower. All you need at that level is to make sure everyone uses their attacks and has dragons leveled lol. I have no idea what your experiment is supposed to have done?? Get to TH9/10 and that's when the real wars begin. War record means nothing, it's the challenge that matters.

Don't get too full of yourself super expert, our TH7s 3 star every attack against a TH7 or less. I don't think it's possible not to 3 star against a TH7 or lower as a TH7. Really war doesn't start until late Th8-Th9.

[Xiegfred]

Our clan never lost a war with only th8 and lower. All you need at that level is to make sure everyone uses their attacks and has dragons leveled lol. I have no idea what your experiment is supposed to have done?? Get to TH9/10 and that's when the real wars begin. War record means nothing, it's the challenge that matters.

Don't get too full of yourself super expert, our TH7s 3 star every attack against a TH7 or less. I don't think it's possible not to 3 star against a TH7 or lower as a TH7. Really war doesn't start until late Th8-Th9.

It's an experiment.. It's not that he's too full of himself.. Please read his others threads before maling assumptions and calling names

[Argat]

I do enjoy the level of nerdiness you've taken this experiment to. I read through the other threads as well.

Why stop at the low levels? Continue the push into the upper levels of war and see if your theory holds weight while you figure out more complex bases and more complex attack strategies.

Are you able to three star any TH8 that comes up with your wars with your dragons?

EDIT:
Adding in first three posts

Winning Wars for Dummies

Winning Wars for Dummies part 2: The Longbow Experiment

The Longbow Experiment Post #3

[4rcanine]

Our clan never lost a war with only th8 and lower. All you need at that level is to make sure everyone uses their attacks and has dragons leveled lol. I have no idea what your experiment is supposed to have done?? Get to TH9/10 and that's when the real wars begin. War record means nothing, it's the challenge that matters.

Don't get too full of yourself super expert, our TH7s 3 star every attack against a TH7 or less. I don't think it's possible not to 3 star against a TH7 or lower as a TH7. Really war doesn't start until late Th8-Th9.

Haha, woah. This guy.

No idea.

[Superfinch30]

Hang on a minute.

Those conclusions, as you said, could've been drawn at any point before you started.
Many noobs at th7 max, versus 1 experienced player handling all accounts at that level, there's only ever going to be one winner.

I'm more interested in the previous part, whereby you theorised unwinable mismatches every 8-9 wars.
Did that, over time, shockingly, not hold true?

[malikmoore26]

Will you stop playing this game totally? I wanted to stop by your clan and check it out. Don't waste all those accs man! Good excitement btw

[whp4]

Our clan never lost a war with only th8 and lower. All you need at that level is to make sure everyone uses their attacks and has dragons leveled lol. I have no idea what your experiment is supposed to have done?? Get to TH9/10 and that's when the real wars begin. War record means nothing, it's the challenge that matters.

Don't get too full of yourself super expert, our TH7s 3 star every attack against a TH7 or less. I don't think it's possible not to 3 star against a TH7 or lower as a TH7. Really war doesn't start until late Th8-Th9.

Believe it or not, I have seen one or two failures, really had to work at deploying the dragons in the wrong places. Very rare though!

[Reav3R]

Should've posted archived links to previous threads instead of asking us to search.

[OnyxDS]

OP, I've no idea from your first post what your conclusion from the experiment is.

And, assuming you are still going on about unwinnable wars; and I asked this at length in part 3: have you recorded the data this time? The base weights for both sides.