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    Basically this troop would not suit/apply to CoC.This troop idea can fit in zombie games ( horror like games).Skeleton of big size would turn CoC into an horror game, rather than a FUN GAME, CoC so far has made all troops that make players smile!! .Anything bigger than giant size / Hero size would definately ruin the charm of other troops of CoC. I am sure CoC do not want their game having such bones and skeletons running on players bases, the Army Camps will look like graveyards/ cemetery with these Big Skeleton like troops. Just look at it from perspective side and animation .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Basically this troop would not suit/apply to CoC.This troop idea can fit in zombie games ( horror like games).Skeleton of big size would turn CoC into an horror game, rather than a FUN GAME, CoC so far has made all troops that make players smile!! .Anything bigger than giant size / Hero size would definately ruin the charm of other troops of CoC. I am sure CoC do not want their game having such bones and skeletons running on players bases, the Army Camps will look like graveyards/ cemetery with these Big Skeleton like troops. Just look at it from perspective side and animation .
    can you explain why your reply is about skeletons and horror while the topic is about a ranged troop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Basically this troop would not suit/apply to CoC.This troop idea can fit in zombie games ( horror like games).Skeleton of big size would turn CoC into an horror game, rather than a FUN GAME, CoC so far has made all troops that make players smile!! .Anything bigger than giant size / Hero size would definately ruin the charm of other troops of CoC. I am sure CoC do not want their game having such bones and skeletons running on players bases, the Army Camps will look like graveyards/ cemetery with these Big Skeleton like troops. Just look at it from perspective side and animation .
    I think you need to understand that it is not up to me in the end how the troop is designed. The Giant Skeleton is simply an example, and using that as a source for your negativity is poor logic on your part. How the troop could potentially function overall in-game is all I would care about, not how it looks.

    There are plenty of skeleton-like troops in the game, and another example of one wouldn't hinder much of anything. Do people still have fun with scary troops like the wallbreaker or balloon? Absolutely. Would a giant skeleton-like troop look okay? I think it very much would. Are they even relatively scary at all? No.

    It isn't up to you to decide what SC could want, because they can do whatever they want. From the meta right now, skeletons are flying all over with lavaloon, and they don't seem to be changing that. I don't know why you're worried about the look when I haven't had enough time to create any picture yet.
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    Even if you will make the best picture of this troop, it is going to look scary!! A big/tall/fat skeleton will be scary in appearance. I am just sharing opinion , what i feel. Wall breakers,balloons have small skeleton models, those look cute and funny. But any Skeleton of bigger size , will ruin the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjalvl999 View Post
    can you explain why your reply is about skeletons and horror while the topic is about a ranged troop?
    Look of the troop / game character is most important for any game. So this troop is hard to fit in this genre of fun game !! Secondly a High ranged troop with the details provided , is nothing but A overpowered ARCHER QUEEN !! You can not have 10-14 of these High ranged troops ( similar to ARCHER QUEEN) in battle or war. Only 5-6 such troops with High Level Healer can take Any base, easily. It will create lot of imbalance for a Strategy Game like CoC. I guess CoC would not want 6 Archer queens ..going around the base And shooting townhall from 4 corners of the base !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Even if you will make the best picture of this troop, it is going to look scary!! A big/tall/fat skeleton will be scary in appearance. I am just sharing opinion , what i feel. Wall breakers,balloons have small skeleton models, those look cute and funny. But any Skeleton of bigger size , will ruin the game.
    I seriously can't believe the appearance is all you are worried about. There's no possible way a troop design can "ruin the game", because people will still use it if it's an effective troop. The look of the troop does not matter at all, it's JUST an example, if the troop were to be introduced it could be completely different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Look of the troop / game character is most important for any game. So this troop is hard to fit in this genre of fun game !! Secondly a High ranged troop with the details provided , is nothing but A overpowered ARCHER QUEEN !! You can not have 10-14 of these High ranged troops ( similar to ARCHER QUEEN) in battle or war. Only 5-6 such troops with High Level Healer can take Any base, easily. It will create lot of imbalance for a Strategy Game like CoC. I guess CoC would not want 6 Archer queens ..going around the base And shooting townhall from 4 corners of the base !!
    The look is the least important of any troop, as there's nothing game-changing about them. As for statistics and details, I took into account every possible scenario for TH10-11 gameplay. Players would only be able to take 13 at max into battle, and with the current statistics there's absolutely no way they'll be able to take on a base by themselves.

    I assure you, this is far different than just an archer queen, and the archer queen is much different from this troop. They will act and move quite differently, and require different support for different scenarios. The Rocketeer will not target the Town Hall first, if that's what you're worried about. They certainly won't take it down from a corner, they still have a specific range to function from. If you want me to compare between the archer queen and the Rocketeer, I will.

    Archer queen has many more hitpoints, the Rocketeer's will be lower in the final cut.

    The Archer queen can use her ability to hide from enemies and dish out incredible damage. The Rocketeer can not hide from defenses, but it's damage can also be astounding.

    The Rocketeer is a bigger troop, but cannot do too well by itself, whereas the Archer queen does not go in your army camp and can do a lot by herself before succumbing to defenses.

    The Archer queen is faster, the rocketeer could linger without proper support.

    The Rocketeer has the ability to dish out a significant amount of damage and significantly lesson the input of the damage of said defense.

    Overall, they are not at all the same, and with this comparison, it shows the kind of situations that each unit, (Archer queen or Rocketeer), could excel in. The Archer queen seems stronger, because she is; she's a royal. The Rocketeer can't completely compare to the archer queen, because the rocketeer simply ISN'T like her. Range and damage are fairly close, as the kind of damage required for a troop with a slower attack speed needs to be high, but speed, HP, and A.I can really change things.

    If you're still worried about the look of the troop at this point, I don't know what to tell you. If you've played at TH10-11 it wouldn't bother you, because you'd know it doesn't matter, and that it is NOT up to me to decide what it looks like in the end. Worrying about an appropriate look for the troop down as an example is incredibly ridiculous.
    Last edited by jaronhudson15; March 4th, 2017 at 05:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Look of the troop / game character is most important for any game. So this troop is hard to fit in this genre of fun game !! Secondly a High ranged troop with the details provided , is nothing but A overpowered ARCHER QUEEN !! You can not have 10-14 of these High ranged troops ( similar to ARCHER QUEEN) in battle or war. Only 5-6 such troops with High Level Healer can take Any base, easily. It will create lot of imbalance for a Strategy Game like CoC. I guess CoC would not want 6 Archer queens ..going around the base And shooting townhall from 4 corners of the base !!
    Quote Originally Posted by ninjalvl999 View Post
    can you explain why your reply is about skeletons and horror while the topic is about a ranged troop?
    i dont know why you think negative about this troop. but that didnt answer my question. im asking why do you think this troop looks scary and could make the game look horror but you answered "because its an overpowered queen"

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    I think it's a little underpowered.

    Just the housing space, dropping it to around 15-16 housing space, to allow proper flexibility and becoming a staple troop with other combinations is crucial.

    20 housing space seems a bit much considering the examples given, it's too big of a troop and would be like the bowler, having too little to make a difference in the end.

    The required way to combat it seems fairly reasonable imo, incorporating into say a Hog army or a KS style of attack while also not being a very spammy troop would work in its favor.

    Just my small input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaronhudson15 View Post
    I seriously can't believe the appearance is all you are worried about. There's no possible way a troop design can "ruin the game", because people will still use it if it's an effective troop. The look of the troop does not matter at all, it's JUST an example, if the troop were to be introduced it could be completely different.

    Look/physical appearance of the game characters is the key to success of all Games, especially Big Game like CoC has been leading all other base defending MMO strategy games ( check out similar games Like CoC they are Era of War, Hero Sky ,Battle of zombies) due to CoC's unique looking troops.Only SuperCell CoC has the unique/distinct/eye catching troops . I have played all these base defending games, Your troop can fit in Battle of Zombies game!!

    if Looks are not important , then there will be troops like mosquitoes, fighting potatoes, ants, even a taxi or bus !! Do you want clashers to play with these troops?


    The look is the least important of any troop, as there's nothing game-changing about them. As for statistics and details, I took into account every possible scenario for TH10-11 gameplay. Players would only be able to take 13 at max into battle, and with the current statistics there's absolutely no way they'll be able to take on a base by themselves.

    I assure you, this is far different than just an archer queen, and the archer queen is much different from this troop. They will act and move quite differently, and require different support for different scenarios. The Rocketeer will not target the Town Hall first, if that's what you're worried about. They certainly won't take it down from a corner, they still have a specific range to function from. If you want me to compare between the archer queen and the Rocketeer, I will.

    Archer queen has many more hitpoints, the Rocketeer's will be lower in the final cut.

    The Archer queen can use her ability to hide from enemies and dish out incredible damage. The Rocketeer can not hide from defenses, but it's damage can also be astounding.

    The Rocketeer is a bigger troop, but cannot do too well by itself, whereas the Archer queen does not go in your army camp and can do a lot by herself before succumbing to defenses.

    The Archer queen is faster, the rocketeer could linger without proper support.

    The Rocketeer has the ability to dish out a significant amount of damage and significantly lesson the input of the damage of said defense.

    Overall, they are not at all the same, and with this comparison, it shows the kind of situations that each unit, (Archer queen or Rocketeer), could excel in. The Archer queen seems stronger, because she is; she's a royal. The Rocketeer can't completely compare to the archer queen, because the rocketeer simply ISN'T like her. Range and damage are fairly close, as the kind of damage required for a troop with a slower attack speed needs to be high, but speed, HP, and A.I can really change things.

    If you're still worried about the look of the troop at this point, I don't know what to tell you. If you've played at TH10-11 it wouldn't bother you, because you'd know it doesn't matter, and that it is NOT up to me to decide what it looks like in the end. Worrying about an appropriate look for the troop down as an example is incredibly ridiculous.
    Look/physical appearance of the game characters is the key to success of all Games, especially Big Game like CoC has been leading all other base defending MMO strategy games ( check out similar games Like CoC they are Era of War, Hero Sky ,Battle of zombies) due to CoC's unique looking troops .Only SuperCell CoC has the unique/distinct/eye catching troops . I have played all these base defending games, Your troop can fit in Battle of Zombies game!! And any troop with high range is nothing but An extra Archer Queen, underpowered or overpowered does not matter. High ranged troop will take all defense structures from a distance !! Combine them with few healers, they could be immortal !! even for strongest bases!! Big imbalance for the game

    if Looks are not important , then there will be troops like mosquitoes, fighting potatoes, ants, even a taxi or bus !! Do you want clashers to play with these troops?
    Last edited by Venom1167; March 5th, 2017 at 03:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom1167 View Post
    Look/physical appearance of the game characters is the key to success of all Games, especially Big Game like CoC has been leading all other base defending MMO strategy games ( check out similar games Like CoC they are Era of War, Hero Sky ,Battle of zombies) due to CoC's unique looking troops .Only SuperCell CoC has the unique/distinct/eye catching troops . I have played all these base defending games, Your troop can fit in Battle of Zombies game!! And any troop with high range is nothing but An extra Archer Queen, underpowered or overpowered does not matter. High ranged troop will take all defense structures from a distance !! Combine them with few healers, they could be immortal !! even for strongest bases!! Big imbalance for the game

    if Looks are not important , then there will be troops like mosquitoes, fighting potatoes, ants, even a taxi or bus !! Do you want clashers to play with these troops?
    Some people will think it's appropriate, others will not. As for ranged attacks, they're supposed to take out structures from a distance. That's the whole point of ranged. And as for the fighting potatoes or taxis and buses, I think you would have to agree those are exceptionally ridiculous and would not compare to something like a skeleton. As for statistics, I'm done arguing with you.

    I don't think you understand how the game works like I do, and I don't believe you have any right to opinionate anything troop-related in this sub-forum due to your severe lack of judgement and understanding of statistical fundamentals or basic troop design. I don't believe you have any TH10-11 experience, let alone TH9 or 8.

    You've come to explaining how my design is potentially not clashy enough for the game, while your ideas consist of what appear to be a stick that's supposed to be a bee. (???) and an elephant with absolutely nothing unique about it. I can see you have very different views of what the term "clashy" means, so I'll just leave it at that. Cheers.

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