Please give me a rational arguement saying that SC is greedy (NOT a flame thread)

[Influence]

Rational argument in tune with greed:

The reasons you list are updates. None of them prove that SC does not have a vested interest in getting more money off of it's customers for less work.

One argument that is posed about SC being greedy is the extremely low resource production rate:

Resource production has remained stagnant, while cost of walls, upgrades, and new buildings have become more expensive as a whole. Lots of new content has been introduced yet resource production has been stagnant.

Not one staff member from SC has addressed a thread with a poll of over 90% of the people on this forum saying there needs to be an upgrade: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-12-Collectors

More upgrades are coming in this next update but still zero discussion about increasing resource production.

Another argument is the extremely high cost of walls, which SC as well does not address. They do not even speak of lowering the prices or say they will not lower the prices. They just ignore their fan base. There are countless threads and more are made everyday even today so I need list one as it's easy to search hundreds. In the interest of profits, you'd think a business would be interested in customer satisfaction.

[Presto]

I know that no one can get to the top without using a lot money. But it has never annoyed me, because I've never been very interested in trophies. Actually the last time I was really hunting trophies and nothing else was when I tried to get 1250 for 3rd builder (and I can say, that was veeeeery long ago ). Instead of trophies, I do farming, and IMO it's even more enjoyable without the use of gems. I ofter try to break my record in gold per hour (current is 2 million, made in zero trophies though) and ofc no gems allowed.

[Dubai]

I know that no one can get to the top without using a lot money. But it has never annoyed me, because I've never been very interested in trophies. Actually the last time I was really hunting trophies and nothing else was when I tried to get 1250 for 3rd builder (and I can say, that was veeeeery long ago ). Instead of trophies, I do farming, and IMO it's even more enjoyable without the use of gems. I ofter try to break my record in gold per hour (current is 2 million, made in zero trophies though) and ofc no gems allowed.

As people say

Juses crisis? It's not only about money yes this is major issue but the game it self is really has no story no gameplay nothing it's just unacceptable unless as I said u have time and nothing else only this game yes the. Diffeny you have no issue farm24/7 play and enjoy and plz be sure to hold ur iPad to avoid going offline and maybe u get attacked..

god I'm not gonna read this thread lol really driving me crazy from those 24/7 only these who says I don't have problem I don't gem
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hen what the hell are you doing lol? Chatting and having low base for months and months? Really this is life and game?

we are looking for acceptable game play a balanced game that's all let whoever gem gem no issues I'm one of them in any other game but not this one I stopped that's god. We can gem to have some privilege not not everything

[DeathKnell]

I'm not sure if greedy is the correct term, I think it's more a case of cheeky. There are always going to be players that enjoy the game and decide to give a little back whilst receiving something for their support. There will always be people that will pay more than others in return for more goodies, but here is what I see happening and I'll put it in an analogy form so that it doesn't seem too personal to either Supercell or the high end gemmers.

A guy walks into a pub with a few friends, sits around for a few hours then approaches the landlord. He tells them that he really likes the place, the atmosphere is great, the beer is cold and he'd like to buy all his friends a round of drinks. The landlord obliges and promptly charges the guy £100 which the guy gladly pays. This carries on for a few weeks until as usual the guy buys all his friends a round again and the landlord hits him with a £200 bill stating that although the guy is buying for the same amount of friends the price of the beer has doubled. The guy carries on paying the same amount again for a few weeks until again one week he does the same thing and the landlord promptly hands him a bill for £400 again stating that the price of his beer has increased. This can carry on as an analogy 10 times if you like, as it relates to 10 levels of TH.

Maybe it's not the best analogy but it is exactly how I feel after spending another 42k gems for much less return than I had previously. So as Supercell don't force me into buying gems I couldn't call them greedy. I do however find it cheeky that I'm now getting much less for my money than when I originally started paying.

[Doom]

Supercell is nowhere near greedy in my opinion I've been playing since mid-October, everyone has the choice to spend or not to spend... Everything can be achieved with effort and patience even if it takes months. The gemmers don't have much of an advantage over the non gemmers except for completing everything faster. I LOVE the FREE updates, keeps the game fresh .... They even take some of our suggestions and add them to the game. Not many games do this, after all people tend to forget they are a business and say they are greedy, they have to pay for servers & the employees.

[fusioncal]

I personally don't have anything against Supercell. I don't care if they made a level 11 wall that costs 8 mil a piece nor level 12 wall that costs 20 mil a piece. I know what makes me happy playing this game by playing on my own pace and that place is in another ball court.

What I have thought the term of 'greedy' is perhaps generating 2.4 mil income a day is not enough. But the word 'greedy' is an adjective. To some 2.4 mil a day is a huge pile of money, to others it's just a beginning as if the most profitable game company is not enough.

To answer your question, however, I read a thread a long time ago on the total cost of getting King and Queen to level 30 is approximately $1,600. For non gemmers, it would take 3.25 years to finish IF you're TH9 with 2 maxed DE drills and never got raided for that long. To be frank, I've never encountered a game needing that much money for just a certain aspect of game upgrade. I'm aware nobody is forcing nobody, but that shows how not 'greedy' Supercell is.

[8eefy1488]

Greedy defined: Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing (in this case wealth)

Now free to play games operate in an interesting balance. On one side the company wants to drive revenue (wealth) up as fast as possible but at the same time the y need to manage their players and ensure retention.

Basically, within the system of Clash of Clans I don't believe Supercell are, as of yet, greedy. There will be a point where the game begins to decline (i'm really not trying to flame with that comment) and Supercell re-orients to milk as much from current players as possible. Then they will be greedy.

Right now they're just trying to do everything they can to maximize revenue while maintaining retention. So yes they're desirous of acquiring but not excessively so because of the need to manage retention.

I enjoy people saying that xyz feature (e.g., reduced spell build times) wasn't to make more money. Wrong. Supercell would have tested the ♥♥♥♥ out of it and made sure that it impacted something favorably so that the bottom line was ultimately improved. e.g., Maybe players weren't using gems at all on spells because they thought it wasn't the right value, now by lowering that they're spent more there.

[BunnyBasher]

Lol they made heroes cheaper and added level 40 heroes so I think that compensates their loss

[500pekka]

Im not sayin everyone will blv me but many will...they took our levels then they give us this shiny crystal badge master badge ....let me ask u one thing do u ask urself why they took our levels and give us these shiny badges coz gemmers r really fond of badges they gem everything ..they made this so gemmers will have sth to show off ...and will more quickly use gems ...they made league to silently stop farm (well yea they failed hard)...ppl will be attracted by shiny badges and up their cups...do u think the reward u get for winning a match is enuf ? Its barely anything .....GOOD LUCK GEMMERS ITS UR GAME TO PLAY ..well yea i brought 5 builders nothin more

[hb808]

So, basicly i would like to hear a valad arguement saying that SC is greedy, because i have never head a rational one.

Not everybody defines greed the same.

I will play the devil's advocate and show you how they can be seen as greedy.

1) They understand that some gamers are perfectionists and must have the best wall, troop, widget.

2) They understand that in general nobody wants to wait over a week to get this wall, troop, widget.

3) So, they have introduced a handy way to bypass waiting-gems.

Do you want to spend 10-14 days in gaming purgatory or spend 10-200 dollars so you can upgrade immediately? Once you understand human nature and how to manipulate it then this little game of upgrades becomes very easy.

Right now I see it like this. They have their foot on the pedal and are pushing as hard as possible to get the most out of this fancy car because eventually they know that the car will overheat and be just another clunker on the side of the road.

Greedy? Maybe.

Manipulative. You're darn tootin'. It's called Research and Development.

So the gamer has a choice, take the slow and patient path of not having the best widget the moment it is out or stop being manipulated into purchasing gems.