Depends .. Way harder defense for the opponents may be just fine if you have better offensive troops .Originally Posted by ljosberinn
Our clan stresses offense and we are often in wars with opponents with a couple of extra infernos and 6-8 extra xbows ( a big deal when warring as a 15) .. But we beat them handily because we have better troops ( mainly gollems and lavahounds really )
To follow up on this you hit on the key point when you said " no matter the TH levels "
Because the TH level alone NEVER matters. It just sets the maximum of what a base could have.. To do a proper assessment you need to look at what the teams do have . In that assessment , looking at defence alone is only half the story. So many mismatch threads focus on defence only and never mention offense and frankly without looking at offense you have no clue how the match really looks.
We routinely beat clans with higher th and way more infernos and xbows than us . is it because we are way more skilled ?? Not really. It's just that we have max gollems, pekkas, Wizards and many of our opponents ( perhaps to compensate for their clearly stronger defenses ) just don't .
mismatches can and do happen but I believe they are a small fraction of those claimed . It's probably accurate for way more of those that bother to mention troops and heros in their claims since those people have looked at and thought about these factors . But all the threads where ONLY th level is cited ??? The fact that is all that is mentioned implies that the poster thinks it's somehow important. ( note there is an exception here when people do say maxxed th x as shorthand for all defences built of course but even then people are often talking only defence and not looking at offense ).
My experience has been that facing more th10s in our mixed clan usually turns out to BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR US. They usually have weaker defence and are rushed and almost always have troops no better than and often worse than a maxxed out th9. My experience on this forum has been that people complaining of frequent or always mismatches against them are the ones with such poor troops that they would have trouble threeing a maxxed base TWO th below them.
i know this won't change things .. Today three new threads will form where people claim mismatches based on th level only . But maybe someone reads this and has a lightbulb go off.
Last edited by Flubber41; May 28th, 2015 at 01:44 PM.
- Update - we were on par about duration of war and we won. They had a chance to win. Was fair war with about same quality of def/off/heroes etc. That war was fair as I mentioned BEFORE battle day started. 1more th9 and no th7 did not help them. Again I was able to predict fair war before start.Update: Now we have about fair match. They do have 1 more th9, and we do have 1 th7, but generally speaking its ok, at least no crazy defense/heroes.
- See my def of mismatch, I think its clear.almost every opponent has way harder defence buildings than your team (no matter TH levels), could you consider this a "mismatch"?
Again, there is potential option to win a mismatch, in cases if:
- your clan is VERY organized and very smart in targeting and planning.
- their clan is passive or bad attacks.
Your definition is clear but I reject it . You can always win a match if the other clan is just bad at atacks or doesn't attack.
To me a mismatch is a contest you CANNOT win against a reasonably skilled and diligent clan. I take as a given that my clan will be organized , use all attacks and be reasonably skilled . If we can win being those three things then to me that's a good match . If we lose by two stars because we make a mistake or two that's life .. A tough match perhaps where winning was difficult but not a mismatch .
Your definition is clear but I reject itHahaha. Its funny, person who doesn't believe and doesn't understand mismatch reject it as well as mismatch as factor at all. One question - have you ever seen a mismatch by your opinion?
Another question - show me example of mismatch by your definition?
- Yes, who said you cant win a mismatch? Delete this idea and start thinking. As you see, even on this board, many people WON their mismatches. I had good example when th9 clan hit th10 good developed clan and WON. It was a mismatch and they had to 3 star all th9 on other side and they won a mismatch...You can always win a match if the other clan is just bad at atacks or doesn't attack.
- LOL. Potentially you CAN win any war. Any mismatch.To me a mismatch is a contest you CANNOT win against a reasonably skilled and diligent clan
I give you theoretical example that would not happen but:
Imagine clan 1 with 15 bases of TH6 hit clan with 15 bases of max TH10.
Is this a mismatch? - A.Yes
Can clan 1 beat clan 2? - A. Yes.
How long you need to see that clan 2 will win? 5 seconds.
However if clan 2 sleep well, clan 1 can win. Its possible.
Hope its good example to separate mismatch from ability to win, based on factors such as inactivity/bad attacks.
The best and only tip I have for these threads is not to post them. We all know that sometimes we get tough matchups. We hit the go to war button and just need to accept that this is a possibility. It is just as much possible to get a tough matchup as it is to get an easy one. Quit complaining and just go out there and do your best.
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1. Are you being intentionally obtuse ? You even quoted where I mentioned reasonable diligence and skill.
I give you theoretical example that would not happen but:
Imagine clan 1 with 15 bases of TH6 hit clan with 15 bases of max TH10.
Is this a mismatch? - A.Yes
Can clan 1 beat clan 2? - A. Yes.
How long you need to see that clan 2 will win? 5 seconds.
However if clan 2 sleep well, clan 1 can win. Its possible.
Hope its good example to separate mismatch from ability to win, based on factors such as inactivity/bad attacks.
2. You example makes my point . It's is also theoretically possible to have a th10 with level 1 barbs as the best troops and a single level1 cannon in every base. You would need to look at the bases and troops to see that they had done things like build walls and troops and defenses.
Apologies for reviving a zombie thread but the number of mismatch threads these days is crazy and I thought the discussion here was a good one .. the types of mismatches have changed but the mismatch complainers have not .. any
little difference is a reason to cry out it seems ano many just look at defence
No problem with reviving a good thread if its relevant.
While my memory is a little dubious these days, I would point to the post TH11 update period , as probably being the worst for genuine mismatch complaints. Many clans were facing TH11's with EA's and Grand Wardens in particular.
There was a continual tidal wave of 'adapt and rush to TH11 then' posts, while many of us warned of haste, believing SC would re-evaluate these key items, and then came the March 2016 update.
Since March, there has been a small snowball falling down a hill, gathering more snow, and momentum, getting larger and larger.
The snowball has a name - Engineering.
Don't get me wrong, engineering has always existed, and probably always will, but that big Snowball could cause a lot of problems if it landed on your greenhouse.
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Excellent revival! Love this thread.
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