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    Aki's Air Sweeper Analysis and Findings

    Aki's Air Sweeper Analysis and Findings


    Welcome to the forum page where you can see my Air Sweeper's Analysis and Findings information. As a person who is deeply into the craft of TH9 Anti-3 star base building, I wish to say although there are many guides out there showing how their interpetation on how use Air Sweeper, I'm going to call out on the fact that they are only semi-effective in teaching others on how to use Air Sweeper (going to make some enemies sadly for this line...). Through conceptually thinking of ways to make anti-lavaloon bases, I've seen alone of commonality and 'characteristics' which all the anti-3 star bases possess. They only consider how the Air Sweeper will help their base, but they haven't truly tapped into the potential of air sweeper. Please keep in mind, I am NOT saying that their bases, or their guides towards Air Sweeper is wrong (unless I forgot to change my summary ), but I'm interpreting their findings as semi-effective and does not really take advatange of Air Sweeper correctly. I am going to present you my own interpretation which I feel offers a better explanation into how to effectively see and use Air Sweeper to it's maximum potential and also how to bring the anti-3 star bases to the next Level.

    I'm putting my name in the front of this page is because I want this to be my first stepping stone to attract the elites, those that want to learn the in-depth side of base building and base attacking's relationship. Of course I want some traffic to my website, so I'm going to leave somethings as 'website' exclusives' :P

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    TABLE OF CONTENT

    [AS1000]Aki's Overall Thoughts and Summary of the Air Sweeper

    [AS2000]The Three Different Uses of Air Sweeper
    ---[AS2100]To Deter
    ---[AS2200]To Protect
    ---[AS2300]To Stall

    [AS3000]How to Effectively Use Air Sweeper
    ---[AS3100]Protecting the Center is Incorrect
    ---[AS3200]Protecting Two Air Defense is Incorrect
    ---[AS3300]Protect 1/3, Deter and Stall the 2/3
    ---[AS3400]Shield the Front, Protect the Back

    [AS4000]How it Affects Current Anti-3 Star Bases{Website Exclusive}
    ---[AS4100]Protecting One Air Defense {Website Exclusive}
    ---[AS4200]Protecting Two Air Defenses {Website Exclusive}
    ---[AS4300]Protecting a Section {Website Exclusive}
    ---[AS4400]GadiHH's Anti-Air Base Critic {Website Exclusive}

    [AS5000]Air Sweeper as a Building{Website Exclusive}

    [AS6000]Air Sweeper Findings







    [001]Aki's Overall Thoughts and Summary of the Air Sweeper


    My thoughts on the three uses of Air Sweeper is it's protection value is SEVERELY overestimated, I will explain it alot more in my other sections, but the fact that the Air sweeper locks onto 1 target that's within it's range, and only covers 1/3 the radius it has, a 5 second delay between each wave, and also the fact that it has a 3.5 travel distance, that makes it unsuitable for actual real time protection. I will explain the 'sweet spot' to put the defenses in the Air Sweeper radius in my [20 - Grid Concept] later on, but with this almost 6.5-8.5 second delay between each shot, alot can happen within a 6.5 window of time, as well as the fact that the protection zone is only a 1/3rd. That would mean you will need to focus the AS on only a 1/3 of the radius and have the remaining 2/3 be a separate section that is independent of the Air Sweeper.

    In conclusion, the purpose of the Air Sweeper isn't it's protection value since it only accounts for 1/3 it's radius, and even then it's only subpar. The TRUE value of the Air Sweeper ability to Deter and Stall/ruin the tempo of an attacker from being able to break that 2/3 section of the base. It doesn't need to protect that 2/3 section at all, that 2/3 section is a threat by itself (having two wizard towers there for example), and what that Air Sweeper needs to do is feints protection of the 1/3 side, but truly watches over the 2/3 Side, as well as 'feint' suggestions to attack from behind while being prepared.






    [AS2000]The Three Different Uses of Air Sweeper


    Link:http://akiyume.weebly.com/three-diff...r-sweeper.html

    The main function of the Air Sweeper of course is to push away flying troops through it's 'air wave' and protect the buildings in front, but through this action there are other ways for which the intentions can be used.

    If you look at my image and examples they might seem the same (and they might overlap abit), but the attitude and the intention of the Air sweeper is completely different. Here are 3 different ways which the Air Sweeper is used to protect the base.


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    ---[AS2100] To Deter



    If the Air Sweeper didn't exist in this example, all 4 'territories' would be equal. But the fact that the air sweeper is covering one particular territory, it's almost like saying "watch out bud, this is my territory so think before you enter my turf." Since the fact that you CAN see where air sweeper is and where the air sweeper is pointing at, and you know that it will influence your raid, therefore it creates a sort of 'boundary' where before you can treat it like the other territories, but now you are't able to.

    The intention of this set up is to provide a 'barrier' and territorial coverage as a warning to the enemy attacker.

    This is a mind game used to control the enemy's deployment rather than let them control it. If you can force them to not play one hand (coming from the front) and you already anticipate they will come from behind, that would mean not only you stopped something, but you've gained something as well.

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    ---[AS2200] To Protect



    It's alittle obvious the fact that the Air Sweeper is made to cover and protect other buildings, and prevent the enemy troops from killing a building and have it survive long enough for there defend itself.

    Another example for which the Air Sweeper could be used such as this image where the air sweeper is pushing away the Lava pups from the Queen so they they don't surround her.

    The intention of this is for the building that the air sweeper is
    'shield' the building that is in front, and provide enough coverage to the point where the previously vulnerable building that they know for sure will be taken down, will now have an uncertain feeling to it.

    The protection value of the Air Sweeper is severely overestimated since the fact it can only cover 1/3 of it's radius. More to be discussed as you read.

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    ---[AS2200] To Stall


    There is a limit to how effective the Air Sweeper is with it's weakness, so the other use for it is to stall the inevitable. If the enemy is determined to attack from the front and it's not preventable from destruction.

    The intention of this set up is to mess up the timing and tempo of the attack troops as well as incorporating the other two uses to a degree. This adds an uncertain element to the gameplay of the consistent Lavaloon/loon deployment.






    [AS3000]How to Effectively Use Air Sweeper

    Link:http://akiyume.weebly.com/how-to-eff...r-sweeper.html




    Air sweeper has only a 1/3 control over it's radius since that's how big it's Air Wave is, and since the fact that it can only lock onto one target, that would mean 2/3 it's radius is not in control or protect. What others are trying to teach you and use the Air Sweeper to protect something is mostly wrong due to the fact that Air Sweeper's actual capability is only 1/3 it's radius. In order to truly use Air Sweeper's radius to it's fullest, you need to control the remaining 2/3 of the radius and not have the enemies be the ones who dictate it, as well as the fact that you must anticipate that there is a possibly that the enemy will come in from the back side. Use the 3 Uses of Air Sweeper fully when it comes to the 2/3 side and it will guarantee success.


    So to an Air Sweeper there 3 Elements:
    1/3 Protection Zone
    2/3 Unprotected Zone
    Back side of the Air Sweeper

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    ---[AS3100]Protecting the Center is Incorrect




    In this example, you can see that they are trying to protect the front of the AD area with the

    The problem with this example is that the enemy is able to come in from the left side and the right side of your defenses. These two Wizard towers will be destroyed like normal while everything is distracted by the Lava.

    So in terms of 1/3 zone, it'll do a decent job in protecting, has a nice effect of deterring, but in terms of the 2/3 unprotected zone, it's completely ignorant of it and does not actually protect that area as well. The Back Side of the Air Sweeper is safe though since most likely the other territories of the base is protected.

    There will be more to be explained in the [Protecting One Air Defense] section.



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    ---[AS3100]Protecting 2 ADs is Incorrect




    This is actually far worst than trying to protect one AD due to the fact that the 'territory' that both ADs cover is roughly half your base.

    In terms 1/3 zone, it'll be a semi-decent protect, but it's more on the lines of stalling and it won't really deter the enemy as much. In terms of the 2/3 zone, you virtual thought that the AS coverage would protect that side but the lavaloon will precede as normal on that side (check out the gif later). In terms of the back side of the Air Sweeper, since the fact that the enemy would have killed 1/4 of the base, it's basically an invitation for them to attack from behind (which could be used to your advantage), and negate the AS completely.


    More Information on the [Protecting Two Air Defense] section.



    ---[AS3300]Protect 1/3, Deter and Stall the 2/3



    The most effective way to use the Air Sweeper is to Protect the 1/3 on one side, give the enemy this section to deal with, but have control over the remaining 2/3 of the radius as well as anticipate the enemy could possible come in from the back side.

    What this does is enforces a strict separation between the Lava hounds on the 1/3 zone, and having a Anti-Loon zone on the 2/3 half, as well as the fact that with this set up, you know they might attack from the back side.

    As a metaphor, you can say The 1/3 AD zone is your shield, the 2/3 Wizard tower zone is your Sword, and since you already perfected the front, you are also anticipating any back stabbing enemy as well. With this set up, you can protect the front, and/or use the back as a bait.







    ---[AS3300]Shield the Front, Protect the Back


    Credits to Edpgolfer for this image's set up.

    After I saw this image, I thought this was actually a clever way to shield the front fully, and bait the enemy to come in from behind. It's like having a Shield at the front fully, but what you are doing is preparing yourself from behind. Although the Air Sweeper could be a sacrifice, you are forcing your enemy to decide whether or not to do a straight push or to come from behind. If they do a straight push, chances are your defense is going to win. If they come in from the back, you have already layed a trap to absorb their assault from behind. It will require you to make your base better and set up the 'trap' properly though.








    [AS4000]How it Affects Current Anti-3 Star Bases{Website Exclusive}

    Link: http://akiyume.weebly.com/how-it-aff...tar-bases.html

    There are a few options which right now the current trend to Air Sweeper is using.
    1)Protecting one AD
    2) Protecting two ADs
    3) Protecting a Section

    I'm going to say this now, which all 3 of these uses although semi effect, it's actual effectiveness is WRONG and is not the correct path towards using Air Sweeper to it's fullest. If you haven't read my [How to Effectively use Air Sweeper] please read it now before continuing. Out of the three options, only the third is the most correct one since it has the most best balance but it has to be done correctly.


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    ---[AS4100]Protecting One Air Defense {Website Exclusive}

    For More Details: http://akiyume.weebly.com/protecting...r-defense.html



    This is how a typical anti-3 star base would now try to use the Air Sweeper. Since the fact that now they got the Air Sweeper, they want it to be directly opposite side of the Queen Kill, as well as the fact that it would be used to ruin the 'tempo' of that circular motion of the typical Lavaloon attack and put seekings on the remaining two Air Defenses. The Problem with this though is it still only relies on that 1/3 zone of AS, and still has the same rhythm as before, but only a 'bump' to the equation.

    But with this new exchange through this set up the enemy now has more control:
    They gained insight where your Seekings are
    They have more control over what direction your Air Sweeper is facing
    It's possible to circumvent the Air Sweeper at the right angle.


    All of these factors and information has been given to the enemy as you try to semi incorporate this building into your base.

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    ---[AS4200]Protecting Two Air Defenses {Website Exclusive}

    For more details: http://akiyume.weebly.com/protecting...-defenses.html


    In this image shown, It shows the 3 "territories" of this base. Due to the fact that each Air Defense has it's own Territory and coverage, the Air Sweeper trying to cover all of them isn't a good solution. The Air Sweeper is vulnerable from behind which can easily be killed from the 1 Territory, as well as the fact that Territory #3 is not protected by the Air Sweeper due to the fact that the Air Sweeper is focused on the Lava hound at Territory #2.


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    ---[AS4300]Protecting a Section {Website Exclusive}

    < Currently Unavailable > working on it T_T >


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    ---[AS4400]GadiHH's Anti-Air Base Critic {Website Exclusive}



    <Currently Underdevelopment>
    As a dedicated base designer, I have helped critique many bases as well as the fact that I also want to improve the quality those that are stepping into the next stage and division of base building. I've seen Gadii's most recent Anti-Air Base, but it does not teach the proper way to utilize and create a strong base overall. I will critic this base to show the flaws and dissect it for the public view.

    Here my rough 'ratings' for his base:

    Anti-Air Base Rating

    Queen Protection: 8/10
    AD Risk During Queen Kill: 3/10
    Lava Targeting: 6/10
    Anti-Loon Aspects: 5/10
    AS Effectiveness: 4/10

    -wizards beside AD point deduction
    -west side air mine point deduction

    Would I say that this base is anti-air? Probably Yes. Would it Work against Lavaloons? Sort of yes, they would have to do alot of preparation work.

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    Normal Base Design Rating

    CC Lurability: 0/10
    Base Design Elements: 2/10

    -Symmetrical Points Deduction
    -Lurability Point Deduction
    -spring trap location deduction

    Would this work as a Good Anti-3 star base? No, this base lacks the basic steps required in order to be a true Anti-3 Star base.
    Gadihh's Video Base Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5simFlNC4








    [AS5000]Air Sweeper as a Building{Website Exclusive}





    [AS6000]Air Sweeper Findings

    Link: http://akiyume.weebly.com/air-sweeper-findings.html
    There is a 1 Second 'Charge'/Build Up time from the Moment of Notice to the actual Shot


    This came from a replay where the Lava went into the Air Sweeper.

    The Lava Hound has a 2.5 tiles/second travel speed. From the moment The Air Sweeper notices the lava crossed the Cannon's edge (where the radius is).
    The image shows that the lava is half way past the third tile of the cannon before the Air Wave hovers over the Wall, on the 1 out of 15th tile radius of the Air Sweeper.






    Thank you for reading and hopefully I didn't offend too many people . There will be more updates on my website afterwards.

    I would like to give thanks Tomaster1275, GodII, and TheJ for the discussions on Air Sweeper.

    And I would like to give special thanks to Eric/Edpgolfer for being my conversation partner.

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    Last edited by akiyume; May 7th, 2015 at 12:36 AM.

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    Nice thread aki! Shows bunch of info about the air sweeper.



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    Dude very informative buddy, sure is

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    For me personally I have found the best use is protecting a small section of my base that ADs don't cover. I have moved to a very off center AD design with a more accessible queen that is far away from ADs and DGBs (it is impossible to shatter me and you'd still need a solid KS to get her). It has worked as well as expected it to...not the death of LaLoons as we know it

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    AS for me is to keep the pathing of incoming troops which I think is something you talked about but it was really long. But my sweeper is focused on keeping my dead spaces dead and it works well at th 8 when I only need that 1/3rd covered and because of my attackers using drags it can be set up for two different possible attack lines.

    Thank you thou for the in-depth analysis of it.

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    omg...the way the information being presented with images and explanations...very informative and nicely done...thank you so much akiyume...
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    nice!
    except i read it on his website first

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    Nice guide

    Nicely done and very informative. I would just like to ask something, is it useful on th7 and below?
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