Pol: Is Spying a Problem?

[iceageg]

. . .Now we can get into how to interpret the statistics . . .

Unless you work for Moms Demand Action 14 responses is not enough even fake statistical relevance. Especially in a community this large. If you genuinely want to get an accurate idea of public opinion keep the conversation going (not self bumping) for a couple days, then start crunching the numbers. Just as likely that the numbers are completely far fetched now as it is that they are accurate. Patience.

On a side note, well done on formatting the poll in a way that is conducive to statistical relevance. It has both a simple yes and an enthusiastic yes paired with a simple no and an enthusiastic no. Again, the numbers at this point are too low to have any real value but simply to illustrate the value of a balanced poll you can crunch it two different ways. You currently have 33% for a change and 66% against it overall. If you remove the people who are sort of "meh" about the topic you are left with 14% passionately for a way to stop spies and 86% who are passionately opposed to countermeasures. Interesting but still irrelevant until you get more votes in.

[bluebird22]

No. It's not an issue, and it doesn't need to be fixed.
If it bothers you that much, close your clan. If your argument is "well I shouldn't have to do that!"then grow up.

[ShaneHed13]

Unless you work for Moms Demand Action 14 responses is not enough even fake statistical relevance. Especially in a community this large. If you genuinely want to get an accurate idea of public opinion keep the conversation going (not self bumping) for a couple days, then start crunching the numbers. Just as likely that the numbers are completely far fetched now as it is that they are accurate. Patience.

On a side note, well done on formatting the poll in a way that is conducive to statistical relevance. It has both a simple yes and an enthusiastic yes paired with a simple no and an enthusiastic no. Again, the numbers at this point are too low to have any real value but simply to illustrate the value of a balanced poll you can crunch it two different ways. You currently have 33% for a change and 66% against it overall. If you remove the people who are sort of "meh" about the topic you are left with 14% passionately for a way to stop spies and 86% who are passionately opposed to countermeasures. Interesting but still irrelevant until you get more votes in.

I know that the stats aren't ready for interpretation yet, but in reality, with a user base of millions, even if everyone on the forums voted, it may not be a large enough sample size. I posted links in the New to Clash, General, Clan Talk, Off Topic & Clan Wars to try to get a more diverse opinion. It went up a bunch after doing that already so...

And thanks, I was hoping it wasn't biased, but I'm starting to think that the difference between the middle two does skew towards a change rather than not. Doh well, I guess I should have payed more attention in psych stats and research methods courses...

[ShaneHed13]

Now that I know you can think, what is the counter argument for the simple coding fix that likely doesn't even need much time to write, and not much, if any, time to test and debug? (Post either here, or elsewhere. I don't mind where we take this)

Sorry, didn't catch this before. Personally, I don't have a counter argument for this as it really doesn't affect me or my clan (we don't spy), but my counter argument would be that some people would consider this a strategy/part of the game. Maybe the having to promote someone who pops in and out to elder every time isn't ideal. Maybe they don't want that person to be an elder. Maybe the act of promoting/demoting people regularly to have them be able to take a more involved role in wars (even if they aren't participating) is just as inconvenient of a hassle as setting your clan in invite only and accepting people for the 10 minutes between wars while searching. I'll give you that it will eliminate spying. But spying can be eliminated already. All I believe it does is shift the "work". Instead of clans who want to prevent spies changing their clan status, it will make it so people who go between multiple clans (and clans that are part of that) are going to have to promote/demote members to give them "full" access to the clan. It will shift the burden to well organized clans (as I believe the most organized have to be the ones that have KNOWN members going in an out constantly) from the clans who's primary directive is to grow and get members but cannot do it intelligently.

[THNSUM]

Oh my.......... What an unique thread......... No one has ever done a poll on this.........


excuse me while I find a sharp stick to stab into my eye

[iceageg]

. . . but I'm starting to think that the difference between the middle two does skew towards a change rather than not. Doh well, I guess I should have payed more attention in psych stats and research methods courses...

One thing that may skew things towards the "yes - meh" side of the poll is the link that Warren posted. Prior to that very simple, elegant, hurts nobody idea I was staunchly AGAINST spy blocking. Using the "new" flag is automatic, data for it already exists in the game, it can easily be bypassed by a leader if they trust the new recruit, and it does NOTHING negative if it is ignored. While I personally see no need for it and voted as such I now have nothing against it. I think most people who were against it because of restricting good movement will swing from "hell no" to "sure, why not" if they read Warren's link.

Much like every idea I have seen to punish "hoppers" the only people who would be genuinely impacted by it are the most helpful people in feeder/sister clans, and in a very negative way. This is a good example to keep a link for the foul mouthed, ill tempered "fresh spawn" who accuse us of bullying every idea as bad and work to prevent change. What they need is either a good idea or like this one, a new take on an old idea that makes it good. I am perfectly willing to change my tune if there is sufficient reason to.

[ShaneHed13]

[QUOTE=THNSUM;4472039]Oh my.......... What an unique thread......... No one has ever done a poll on this.........


excuse me while I find a sharp stick to stab into my eye


[QUOTE]

I sincerely apologize if there has been an unbiased poll on how people feel about spying in this game. I did a search, didn't find anything in the last 6 months, it comes up a lot still.

If there is one please post a link, I will apologize and stop posting on the thread and let it die.

Thanks for the helpful feedback!

[WarrenJames]

Oh my.......... What an unique thread......... No one has ever done a poll on this.........


excuse me while I find a sharp stick to stab into my eye

I know where you are coming from...

Either smile and laugh (which may trick the brain in thinking maybe it isn't that bad, since you seem happy), or do some venting in one form or another, hopefully in a constructive way. Comedy works. You can sound angry in standup, ranting, and if done well, not only does nobody mind, but they may want to hear it! (Damn I need to get that job. )

On a side note, I should ask the Creative Forum for a pic. Now I want a "Best Surviving Idea" pic, with a lot of dead Barbarians (representing ideas), but with one Barbarian with an 'almost dead' health bar above him, with a raised sword, giving a victorious roar.

Also, testing idea. #IdeaHashTagTest. (Added Edit: # does not translate well in search feature. Maybe treated as a special character to look for tags, which is also a forum feature... one rarely ever used or noticed. )
(Another Edit: "IdeaHashTagTest" works, but "IdeaHash" doesn't. This is going to take some work...)
Will use that to hopefully keep track of what ideas are the best, and can be easily found via search (for once). Even if I update it, it will hopefully be found via a search.

Heck, give 'Newbie' and 'Catch' a search. It practically filters out everything and shows every instance I bring it up, and with very little false positives.

[ShaneHed13]

Now come on guys, it's one thing to get upset because it has "Spy" in the title, it's a completely different thing to say that there have been several polls on this.

I did a search, I didn't see any, am I missing something?

[PROFIT]

No. It's not an issue, and it doesn't need to be fixed.
If it bothers you that much, close your clan. If your argument is "well I shouldn't have to do that!"then grow up.

This all day.

That said... Feel free to accept me if we ever war against each other. I WILL be trying.