Pol: Is Spying a Problem?

[ShaneHed13]

There has been lots of threads about eliminating spying from the games which makes it seem like it is a huge problem. Looking closer at the threads though, many people who post don't view them as too much of a problem. I just want a poll to see where the community is at with this.

Vote, no need to respond unless you want, just vote.

[MrkSjr]

yes it is a problem, but not as big as other people requesting for upgradeable builders huts and trading resources., unless you close your clan or block off all request during war, then it is not much of a problem for your clan.

[WarrenJames]

It is disgustingly easy to fix, and still not inconvenience players.
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ar-spies/page4
This whole page pretty much explains.

[ShaneHed13]

Warren, we can read, most of us have read it, you post it in every spying forum like it is the end all be all answer to the meaning of life. You post it with the (perhaps wrong assumption) that the majority of the CoC community views it as a problem in the first place. This isn't a poll about how easy or hard it is to fix, it is if the community views it as a problem that REQUIRES fixing.

[WarrenJames]

Warren, we can read, most of us have read it, you post it in every spying forum like it is the end all be all answer to the meaning of life. You post it with the (perhaps wrong assumption) that the majority of the CoC community views it as a problem in the first place. This isn't a poll about how easy or hard it is to fix, it is if the community views it as a problem that REQUIRES fixing.

I am presentating work that has been done before, which people almost always ignore. It is the same damn thing with every thread without that link, they bicker and rant, and troll, and half the time rediscover the same answer... which then gets forgotten and then it starts over again. That is just insane!

To me it is a moot point on if it needs fixing. The fact we are here arguing about it, again, is proof enough.

Congrats on you being the first one with a brain to question my implied tone. Was actually getting worried about the intelligence of some of the people here. My posting has actually killed several threads on this issue, and I'm glad the drama bait topic threads did die. They are a waste of time, because they go over the same old ideas while also causing drama.

Now that I know you can think, what is the counter argument for the simple coding fix that likely doesn't even need much time to write, and not much, if any, time to test and debug? (Post either here, or elsewhere. I don't mind where we take this)

[iceageg]

I am presentating work that has been done before, which people almost always ignore. . .

And most of us IFR regulars thank you for it. It is the only anti-spying suggestion that has survived any honest scrutiny. It is the answer that every new post of this type is looking for. That is why it is valid and why you should continue posting it. At least until somebody comes up with something better. If/when that happens, please continue with the new link.

[WarrenJames]

And most of us IFR regulars thank you for it. It is the only anti-spying suggestion that has survived any honest scrutiny. It is the answer that every new post of this type is looking for. That is why it is valid and why you should continue posting it. At least until somebody comes up with something better. If/when that happens, please continue with the new link.

Thank you. x_x; (best exasperated emote I can come up with) Someone that knows what I'm getting at.

Since it is the only good idea that stood up to most logical arguments, I'm confident in it, and my tone of voice has basicly been daring people to "come at me bro!" and come up with better.

If this idea wins, we win.

If a better idea wins, ... we win even more!

The only way this effort will lose is if nothing survives, and right now I can't see that happening at this point in this topic.

[ShaneHed13]

I am presentating work that has been done before, which people almost always ignore. It is the same damn thing with every thread without that link, they bicker and rant, and troll, and half the time rediscover the same answer... which then gets forgotten and then it starts over again. That is just insane!

To me it is a moot point on if it needs fixing. The fact we are hear arguing about it, again, is proof enough.

Congrats on you being the first one with a brain to question my implied tone. Was actually getting worried about the intelligence of some of the people here. My posting has actually killed several threads on this issue, and I'm glad the drama bait topic threads did die. They are a waste of time, because they go over the same old ideas while also causing drama.

Now that I know you can think, what is the counter argument for the simple coding fix that likely doesn't even need much time to write, and not much, if any, time to test and debug? (Post either here, or elsewhere. I don't mind where we take this)

You are presenting peoples "work" over arguing on whether or not a "fix" should be implemented. Yes people bicker, rant, troll, but the bottom line is, people don't get to the same answer, you THINK they do.

You say it is a moot point if it needs fixing, that is your opinion, and there are many differing views. The reason WE are here arguing about it again is because I posted a unbiased poll to determine if the community VIEWED spying as a problem, asked just for people to vote and not respond, and you went ahead, posted from your archive of previous posts a link to a thread with the "FIX" to the problems that thus far, more people don't think is a problem or want fixed!

My intention wasn't to start an argument, it was to see where the community is at. It is MY opinion that there is no harm to see if people view it as a problem. What I think is a problem is suggesting and pushing solutions to problems that the majority of the people in the community do not want. This poll was made with the intention of clarifying that rather than insisting it is.

[WarrenJames]

You are presenting peoples "work" over arguing on whether or not a "fix" should be implemented. Yes people bicker, rant, troll, but the bottom line is, people don't get to the same answer, you THINK they do.

I present my argument as well, because I'm tired of retyping it. The work is right there, if people feel like reading it. After so many repeats, you just get tired of doing the same ineffective thing, and do something different... which is what I am doing, something different. If something else different gets said, then I can actually discuss something new. Until then, there isn't, and not repeating myself as long as I can save time and effort citing my info.

Of course they don't all get the same answer, but the ones that get the farthest come up with similar answers, because those are the ones that seem more likely to work. Regardless of who works on it, if they are working on the same problem, odds are very good that the same answers will be said, and with more independent people working on the same issue, the more likely they will get the same answer. Since we are only human, this does not mean people will be guaranteed to find the best answers, due to many perception and frame of mind factors.

You say it is a moot point if it needs fixing, that is your opinion, and there are many differing views. The reason WE are here arguing about it again is because I posted a unbiased poll to determine if the community VIEWED spying as a problem, asked just for people to vote and not respond, and you went ahead, posted from your archive of previous posts a link to a thread with the "FIX" to the problems that thus far, more people don't think is a problem or want fixed!

Yup, I did say "to me it is a moot point" which I hope people take as an opinion, but also I voted accordingly before even posting. I look forward to the results, but it is way too early to tell, and there is risk of not getting a good sample size to make the poll meaningful. I would recommend some people to point this out to regulars in other subforums to prevent it from becoming invalid.

My intention wasn't to start an argument, it was to see where the community is at. It is MY opinion that there is no harm to see if people view it as a problem. What I think is a problem is suggesting and pushing solutions to problems that the majority of the people in the community do not want. This poll was made with the intention of clarifying that rather than insisting it is.

I posted my link as quickly as possible to get prime thread real estate so there is a better chance for people to be more informed. If they think the simple solution works, then that could change thier vote. Voting uninformed and/or on gut feelings is never good, and can skew things. To properly vote, you should, theoretically, be as informed as possible on the topic. Of course, due to practically, that can't always happen, but that is not to say it shouldn't be attempted.

Like I said in a post above, I don't mind were we take this discussion. Probably would be good to take this elsewhere, so... someone lead the way.

By the way, seems like it is in favor of being fixed. Since the total of the top 3 options out number the 4th option of not wanting a fix. If more people want a fix, or don't mind it is fixed even if they don't see it as a problem, then putting in a low risk fix would likely be the right action to do. (Remember: numbers can be spun in many different ways if there is wiggle room. Statistics can be a pain like that.)

[ShaneHed13]

Well the alternative is true then also, that 92.86 of the people would be okay with it not be fixed (at least immediately), or 71.43 having the view that it isn't a problem compared to 28.57 who think it is.

Now we can get into how to interpret the statistics, whether it is "valid" or not sample size, error margins, confidence intervals and all that jazz.

I know you get frustrated with the repeat posts and all that ♥♥♥♥, but to my knowledge, a poll like this hadn't been presented and I did want to see where the community was at as a whole (in fact I'd kinda like to see that for zappers and hoppers too BTW). I wasn't intending to re-ignite anything, but get a clearer picture of how widespread the community views the problem. If everyone votes that it needs to be changed, that's perfectly alright, at least we know. If they vote that it is part of the game, fine too. I personally voted that it's not a problem but don't care if it is changed. Won't affect me one way or the other.

I think if this poll does end up showing vast community support (either way) it can then be used as something to cite for future requests or whatever, probably a bit easier to read than 7 pages of posts from 100 different threads.