penalize people who leave clan in the middle of war without attacking

[iceageg]

I read this response on some thread before. It was something to the effect of 'do you really want to force a player to stay in your clan?' How productive can that really be?

It was probably from my often repeated (with subtle variations) post below . . . posted again in it's entirety.

No. This is a bad idea every time it is suggested because it will cause more, worse problems than "hoppers" already represent. Here is pretty much everything you need to know about dealing with hoppers. Both what will happen if you get your way and how everybody else has learned to deal with 99% of them quickly and easily.

First, SC has a long standing policy of not putting a negative statistic/badge/mark/rank/etc. of any kind on any players profile. They have a fairly strict no name-n-shame policy, as they should. You can accept those ideas as ruled out at face value.

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
or
12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

Also, in an effort to not only help the OP understand the horrible repercussions of their idea, here is a list of many of the most common things successful clans do to prevent "D-bag hoppers" from being a nuisance (a nuisance, not a problem). Quoting myself from a recent thread again . . .

Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players who didn't want to be in your clan but you let in anyway. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (Opted out by leader/co)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

All of us clan leader types have experienced this and learned to preventing through our own leadership skills and clan rules. There is no need to institute a system that will punish the most social and giving players while making the lowest quality players more destructive.

In my time on the forum here I still have yet to see the answer to these simple questions. Why do you want to force somebody that you don't want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan?

[Chefkell]

The issue is that you let people in war that cant be trusted.

How do you know if they can be trusted? We can ask but what good would that do...they lie. You say sit them out a war, but we can't even start war with out them.

Mind you I'm not talking about people who are not in war. They can come and go as they please. I'm talking about people who join a clan, opt in for war, wait until they are in war and then leave without ever attacking. These are people who should be punished.

[ohmsmash]

Nice post iceage you pretty much covered everything.

I was just thinking as I was reading the thread about a guy in the opposing clan a couple wars back. He did both attacks with one troop and left which would be an easy way around the penalty. Reason being the game couldnt differentiate between a sub par attacker and someone maliciously screwing over their clan.

[Chefkell]

Ok so maybe in their profile supercell could put how many clans they have been in the last month. That way we would know who the hoppers were and we would let them in the clan to begin with.

[iceageg]

Ok so maybe in their profile supercell could put how many clans they have been in the last month. That way we would know who the hoppers were and we would let them in the clan to begin with.

This 10 more times

. . . First, SC has a long standing policy of not putting a negative statistic/badge/mark/rank/etc. of any kind on any players profile. They have a fairly strict no name-n-shame policy, as they should. You can accept those ideas as ruled out at face value. . .

[ChuqNorris]

Hello, excuse my bad language and any error, it is sad but unfortunately nowadays new clash of players are not respecting the clan is to formalize a group of friends and the war only an attraction that ends up benefiting all members, many players enter the clan and asks to start the war, with good conversation and everything, the leaders convinced by the apparent interest of the new member just starting the war and it leaves the clan in preparation period. This undermines a very large number of clan and its members, there are many players who is not established in clan and not the administration of the leaders or the members but who does it is always the same players they take pleasure in the way.
I believe all leaders and members who do not like that behavior should have a larger demonstration on the subject, punish the player with gold or elixir does not solve, maybe make him pay with gems to join a new clan, leave it for a long period preventing entering other clans.

This is a problem that everyone sees spending a lot of time.
I would love that all Forum participants looked at this issue with greater force and all united and focused on it, perhaps would give a value for this question.

One option for supercell earn more punishing with gems

[BlargityTucker]

I agree there should be a punishment for people who don't attack in war. Your idea of a punishment isn't exactly on track though.

[epiccman]

I agree its not fair to the rest of the clan. The leader who went to war with hoppers and let the clan down should be penalised. Maybe he will become aware of his position and learn to take some responsibility then.

This ^^^^^^^

[SoldierNumber2178281828]

Make better friends?

[NutterMaster]

I agree. They could be punished, for example, with a week or two without having the possibility to partecipate in a clan war.

Or, take 50% of their loot and share it to the warring players in the clan