Yes, a TH10 can crush a max TH8 with the same ease as a rushed TH9 but he won't likely raid the th8 BECAUSE of the loot penalty.Originally Posted by Gabrielalbino
Yes, a TH10 can crush a max TH8 with the same ease as a rushed TH9 but he won't likely raid the th8 BECAUSE of the loot penalty.
Well, in my experience, my retrain time is always around 12-16 min as a TH9 farming purely collectors. I've tried barch, but the retrain time is usually 16-20min. BAM can match the speed of gibarch, but using DE while having no guarantee of getting it back isn't for me. Cost is negligible when I'm hitting 200k per raid. Gibarch takes a little more skill to get better results, feel free to see me farm using that.
Premmie base, like one with TH6/7 defenses. Those 2 giants can stand there for 15-25 sec without dying, giving aq enough time to destroy point defenses, then she'll shrug off splash and continue mowing through parts of a base. When I farm, I boost AQ so she can be used in all raids (12-14min retrain time x 4 = 48-56min healing time).
Here's an advantage of rushing, I can put only ONE hero down at all times, and I'll max heroes before defenses. A maxed TH8 coming to TH9 will be BOTH down at THE SAME TIME, to max heroes, after defenses. Do the math, it doesn't lie
He means, even if you maxed TH8, you'll get crushed when you reach TH9 by a TH10 regardless.
The thing is that the loot penalty only starts to be a problem at th9, and isn't that bad at th9, slightly worse at th10 but there are other ways to farm at th10 so it's not a big deal for the good farmers....
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Giants take longer to train than Barbs (2 min/5 spot=24 s per spot) so I fail to see how GiBarch trains faster unless you neglect archers and go heavy on barbs. Though the extra cost of giants may seem small, it adds up over the course of months and will become significant.
I get that the 2 giants can tank for bout 20 seconds but for the AQ to accumulate 30% destruction requires that she destroy 18 buildings which works out to ~1 building per second. Even a lvl 30 Queen can't do work that fast, even without walls.
And yes, you can max heroes before defenses but if you max both heroes first and then use the spare DE for faster army compositions, you'll be able to max TH9 faster.
Finally, a new TH9 who maxed TH8 is less likely to get demolished by a rushed TH9 simply because of the difference in defense strength.
Last edited by IHateWalls; April 26th, 2015 at 04:04 AM.
Ya, the only time I've ever come across a guy with relatively full storages and collectors was a completely maxed out TH 10 (sans walls). As a TH9 using BARCH, I have 0 chance of getting those storages.
Why am I arguing with someone who does not know how to appreciate giants? Nevermind, just read what I write properly, so I do not need to repeat myself multiple times. I noticed TH9s who find loot slower than in TH8 never went ahead to try gibarch or BAM. Both are far superior in TH9 than straight up barch
Oh, getting demolished isn't a problem. Walls are always there, heroes too to dump DE. Frankly, when I rushed I lost 300-500k G/E per week. Compared to ~200k each lost per day when I was at TH8
Last edited by SinOfDusk; April 26th, 2015 at 04:26 AM.
I never said giants were bad. I just said there are better options out there. GiBarch is not superior to Barch when it comes to collectors bases, which are the optimal bases to raid. If you take a look at some of the top farming clans (Centum, Unity, Aureus, Reddit, etc) or even the newly created "Altar" clans, you'll see that 90%+ of them uses Barch for Gold/Elixir, maybe with some Minions. To a even greater extreme, there are Asian clans out there with players that grinded out Lavas and even Zaps before they finished defenses with 5 builders. Guess what they use? Barch, not GiBarch.
I don't get what you mean by "walls are always there". If you are referring to how a rushed base can dump loot into walls, a TH8 can also dump loot into walls. Only difference is that a maxed TH8 who recently became TH9 has better defenses than a rushed TH9 who is more likely to lose all 8 storages than a non rushed th9.
Again, how can an AQ and 2 giants take down 30-40% of a base with TH6/TH7 defenses in the span of 20 seconds? The 1 Building Destroyed/Second is extreme. I suspect you are exaggerating this which leads me to question other assertions you put forth.
Oh and typing "nevermind" implies that I should disregard a previously statement. In case you don't know, there is a button on your keyboard that allows you to delete characters.
Last edited by IHateWalls; April 26th, 2015 at 06:12 AM.
Well i tried stay in silver 1 and gold 3 but the loot is not that great
i spend more time searching, and by the time i pick the right base, it already took a long way nexting i almost fell asleep
good for you then if none of the people went serious attack you twice in a row, idk maybe you stay low in the silver
but in gold whenever i have reached the cap i always get raided (not th sniping)
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This. Finally someone understand.
Last edited by SnuSnu; April 26th, 2015 at 06:22 AM.
the person you quoted is wrong. Defenses do not matter. If you are holding a lot of loot ( with you should not thanks to wall being a loot dumping place ), you will get wrecked regardless. Also, the person who maxed th8 wasted over 100million elixir ... Thats worse than being raided a couple of times a week.
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