The Unfairness of Equal Xp Set by a Number of Players

[robchow]

Nice text.

Clan perks has little to no value for TH10s. They are intended for TH7-TH9 which are farming heavily to get them in wars.

Is it fair that 2 staring a TH10 and 2 staring a a TH8 is worth 5 XP if both are in the top 5 spots? Maybe not. But comparing the army cost is not right either. TH8s have huge army cost with all drags. While my TH10 army has roughly the same elixir cost but a huge DE cost.

Most clans full of TH5-TH7 won't live long enough to take advantage of those perks. The clans with experienced warrers will remain together for the longest time.

But if the XP were modulated by strength just like the loot bonus, I would be happy with that.

Here is a clan perk idea that I believe TH10s would like (as well as other TH levels) http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...astle-Capacity.

[Pete82]

Why would you type a wall of text and make it bold? Incredibly annoying to read. No one has explained why any of this matters yet.

[Apollo1976]

I completely agree with you here on most points but do not think its the case that the 3-4 high level leaders of these "top" clans sit out every war. I think at east a couple of them are probably participating in every other war.

The fact is, most war castles are filled by the highest players in the clan(whom also offer the highest level troops). It is not only what war troops are in the war castles though, non participating members can donate max troops as well, or clannies can just quit the clan real quick, go join a "request and leave" clan, and come back with a cc full of max troops to be used for war.

This is common knowledge and behavior in the game right now. What is NOT so common though is the following:

Top Clans who only want Max level players with TH9 or TH10 bases will not be able to succeed without taking some noob lowbie players. We all wait with anticipation for our clan war searches to give us an opponent we can compete with and are often times excited when we see a pushover clan war match-up in our favor, or ticked off when we are facing a clan that will easily roflstomp us.

My last clan did not want me to participate in war because "my defenses are too high" and because of that, we were facing tougher clans every war. I did not believe this at first...

Until I left and so did a couple other TH10/9s and low and behold, they are back to winning again.

So what did I do? I had a neighbor start playing, had him join my clan a couple hours after creating his account, and he is now in every war...My only mistake was not having him make 5 different accounts though as if I did that, I seriously think we would crush anyone we faced...

Imagine this - a 10 man clan. Top 5 players are all max or near max TH9/10s...bottom 5 are all level 2,3,4's. How do you think our match-ups would go?

My guess is we will get clans somewhere in the middle, which our top 5 can take care of with no issue.

The reason why it is harder for TH10s now is because it is nearly impossible to 3 star a well laid out, mid to max TH10. Anyone that claims they can do it consistently is lying. Its extremely difficult(especially with the AI of our heroes as bad as it is).

The OP is right, Higher level players give far more resourses, and take far more time building troops and spells then any of the lower level players, yet the EXP reward is the same. The TH10s contribute far far far more to clan wars than these lowbies that don't donate anything, build cookie cutter troop comps, and facerool all day to get wins(I.E any all dragon attacks)

All Dragon attacks are for non skilled noobs. They are faceroll and take no skill. You want skill? Try flawlessly executing LavaLoonian, GoLaLoonian, GoWiPe, GoWiWi.

Many will hate on me because they currently make a living off all dragon attacks but guess what? It takes no skill to roll All Dragon...(especially when you are facing level 5 or lower air defenses)


ZOME Um GUYZ, I JUS GOTTA DROP DEEZ DRAGS AND DEN DWOP A COUPLE RAGE SPELLS AND I GET 3 STARS.

OH DAYEM...MY DRAGS WENT ALL OUER PERIMETA ON ME - ♥♥♥ STUPID GAME.

You don't even need to lure CC with dragons...

Try facerolling a base with good cc troops while you use hogs without luring and you will see how to get owned quick.

[Horus40k]

Let's start by "you come across as an elitist TH10 Champ." Then you go by saying "bro I have been a champ a year, I've been in lunar rising, I was a sky founder, been in bonbee Canada." Man the sweet irony, to a point he is right.. He stated it himself, "You make TH10 Champs sound like egotistical morons." Hahaha. Although your argument was in the neutral side, which helps your case that I can't fight your comment, well done, you made yourself sound like the things you called me. Perfect.

Bro I may have been ironic but not moronic.
i am neutral, but you seem to hound anyone with an opinion that is not the same of yours. This is a point you put out, and that point encourages debate. You seem to want to call people dumb etc for not seeing or agreeing with your point.
i learnt on the forum a long time ago - state a long argument and people will cut it up and throw bits back at you.
i was showing you in my statement not how elite I am but the clan pedigree I have been in and that they do not look at lower level players in the same way as you do.
should not paint all th10 players with your brush bro. Even if they happen to be champs or not

[Apollo1976]

Bro... I'm sorry but you seem to disrespect everyone who challenges your ideas and concept. I read through this and laughed, you come across as an elitist TH10 Champ moaning people's clans are getting the same or more than you.
bro I have been a champ a year, I've been in lunar rising, I was a sky founder, been in bonbee Canada ..... And I can tell you bro... Your talking rubbish about what you state.
all of the clans I've been in over 3 years have nurtured lower players, we accept ANY donation as a gift, we do not compare our maxed out troops versus our members troops.
i now gem troops for members. Why, because I can. Do I put a tally up, no I don't.

I thought he was saying that the low levels cannot donate war troops(either in the war castle) or requested troops via donation for WAR purposes as this is true. I am sorry, but a level 2 archer is useless to me when I am hitting a max TH10 in war. That being said, I do the same as you, I gem troops for my clan mates. I am usually the only one to fill their war castles, and most of them have my cell number or FB messenger to message me if they need troops while I am out or at work.

I just think the OP was spot on with some things, such as the penalty paid by strong TH10s. It is not a complaint, but an observation. I will also say, that I have personally seen, many times, the affects of giving my TH4 a Valk, a wiz, and 3 archers in his war castle and he is hit by a th5 with all ground troops. It is quite hilarious to watch the max Valk smoke all the ground troops, but we all know that would have never happened if the war castle was not filled with max th10 troops.


Again, not a complaint at all, but an observation as it goes both ways.

[TheWishmaster]

Preach! Well conceived and well written, great work.

[Derrick1992]

Before I make my point I got to tell you that you would make a great reporter in the media industry. You just grab one fragment of a sentence and go from there instead of posting the whole sentence and understanding/ connecting the meaning from the post as a whole. Great job, you should apply for CNN.

Now, the point of the argument was that in a 45vs45 war, let's say that in a clan full of TH10s and TH9s their #35 a TH10 will generate the same experience for their clan as a #35 - TH6 or TH7 would for their "war clan." I find this unfair that those top clans have 2-3 TH10s with maxed troops that OPT OUT of war for the purpose of giving those Lv. 20-30s maxed troops to 3 star a base with CC troops only. I know this for a fact because I have 2 maxed TH7s that I hop around with. I was a member for 4 wars in ATHENA and a member for 3 wars in Brute Force. Join their clans, look at their war log and notice that some of their top players do not war with them, they are just there to make sure the noob players get the best donations. My point is this system is being abused to its core and SuperCell must do something about it. I am not selfish as I was called. I am just telling you how the things run in top elitist clans. They do not welcome people who can't contribute 100%. It is a fact not my opinion, therefore, it shouldn't make me a "selfish centered person" as I was called. I want to see the faces of all those "low level players" in the High Level "Clans" when they are removed because the leader met the Lv.10 clan goal and wants high level players in his clan. To prevent this, we must regulate the way to gain xp, too fast and the faster they will reach high level clan. When they do they will remove those low level players that have committed their time for the clan and the low level community will crash. I give it 3-4 months before the low levels won't be able to make their own clans anymore. It will be sad, for now the demand for them it is high but we will see what happens in 2-3 months. Do NOT stray away from the argument of Unbalanced XP.. don't bring the "He hates noobs" card or "He is an elitist jerk" I am giving you facts on how the elite clans operate, nothing to judge. My argument is simple and please don't stay from it.

Since you want to draw analogies to real life... Get over it life isn't fair.

What makes you think everyone wants to be part of an elite war clan? Those clans are a very small percentage of the game. You're the only one bent out of shape about this. Big whoop if someone beat you to lvl 5 perk. We get it their attacks are easier and cheaper than th10. You're welcome to make a new account and follow suit if you'd like. This war perks won't even really affect the top war clans. There is absolutely nothing stopping people from making clans literally all it takes is 10 non rushed ths and understanding of attack strats and you're better than 50 percent of the clans out there at least. There's nothing wrong with th10 opting out and making donations to players. Anyone else could go to a request and leave clan and get something. It's teamwork on their part. Maybe those guys don't like to war. Those clans won wars and if they don't use anything against TOS they earned it. Quit crying.

Edit another thing to add about adding new clan members. I refuse to recruit th9/10 to my clan because absolutely everyone of them I've tried have been terrible at war and didn't understand the game at all and just didn't contribute to us for a win, nor did they want to acknowledge that and try to seek out information to change that. Most of the th9/10 in recruiting forums are floating around for a reason. We have one active th10 warring and around 5-7 th9 warring the rest are th8/7 and were about a third of the way to lvl 5. You mad bro?

[squishy23456]

Since you want to draw analogies to real life... Get over it life isn't fair.

What makes you think everyone wants to be part of an elite war clan? Those clans are a very small percentage of the game. You're the only one bent out of shape about this. Big whoop if someone beat you to lvl 5 perk. We get it their attacks are easier and cheaper than th10. You're welcome to make a new account and follow suit if you'd like. This war perks won't even really affect the top war clans. There is absolutely nothing stopping people from making clans literally all it takes is 10 non rushed ths and understanding of attack strats and you're better than 50 percent of the clans out there at least. There's nothing wrong with th10 opting out and making donations to players. Anyone else could go to a request and leave clan and get something. It's teamwork on their part. Maybe those guys don't like to war. Those clans won wars and if they don't use anything against TOS they earned it. Quit crying.

Edit another thing to add about adding new clan members. I refuse to recruit th9/10 to my clan because absolutely everyone of them I've tried have been terrible at war and didn't understand the game at all and just didn't contribute to us for a win, nor did they want to acknowledge that and try to seek out information to change that. Most of the th9/10 in recruiting forums are floating around for a reason. We have one active th10 warring and around 5-7 th9 warring the rest are th8/7 and were about a third of the way to lvl 5. You mad bro?

Couldn't agree more!!! We have 5 th10s who are mid to maxed th10 and war. Rest are th7 or below. Gets kind of annoying when you have a good th7 attacker and he tries to bring in like 3 of his th10 noob rushed bases. Lost our 19 war streak due to the noob th10 so went and kicked all of them. Had to kick the th7 too since all his friends left and he was mad.

All of the th8/9/10 we tried have all failed at attacking their own strength or attack like 20 ranks below which isn't helpful at all.

[MasterApprentice]

From my count, there are Five lvl 5 clans in the world, mostly closed clans.

[webbie]

From my count, there are Five lvl 5 clans in the world, mostly closed clans.

Now there's about 15 with the highest trophies being 27734. Lowest level in clan is 94 so a decent th9. Goes to show that not just the low level clans can level up fast if your good enough.