Please make Level 4 P.E.K.K.A. available at TH9 and put Queue on spell factory

[rwelshjr]

I actually would not mind seeing level 4 Pekkas at th9, with level 5 being only for TH10. I was a bit surprised when they did not do that.

Pekkas are useful. And GoWipe is not just a 2 star strategy. But getting 3 is very tricky with it and certainly gets tougher at the upper end of TH9. I think level 4 Pekkas at TH9 would not be OP but instead would have just that extra level of chance to finish their job before getting killed especially when facing the upper levels of th9.

At lower levels of TH9 level 3 Pekkas do make it its just that they fizzle hallway through the TH level and I would like to see the troop be effective until TH10 where you really do need to start thinking about level5.

I have to agree that the spell queuing is more about saving the cook time for your first spell in your next batch than it is about hiding lix. I also agree that it does make some lix hiding possible but its really not enough to make or break. So I would like it. But regardless of what I like - Most guys get forced by spell cook time to gem during war and I can't think SC dislikes how that works.

[Xitra]

So the argument is based on only counting the things that are convenient to your side. How....convenient.


Spells cost loot, take up time, and are some of the most important offensive weapons in the game. Upgrading your freeze spell is probably more important at TH10 than upgrading any troop, but you don't want to take it into consideration when calculating whatever "balance" you're talking about. Brilliant.

And upgrading your inferno towers is important, and so is adding the 3rd X-Bow, and so is upgrading your wizard towers, and your archer towers (to 13!!!!) and your cannons, and your... Yeah, we could just lump EVERYTHING together, right?

The point is, TH10 should have more of every kind of goodie. As someone pointed out previously (probably badfish, but I don't feel like checking), TH10 is incomplete. Supercell needs to be adding more content to TH10. You're trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem, by making an even bigger problem (making TH9 more "complete" while making TH10 more "incomplete"). TH9 already has 30 levels of the archer queen, and 20 levels of the king, plus walls that are more expensive than TH10 walls (if you count the cost to upgrade those 25 new walls up to level 8, which is negligible in the grand scheme of things), plus more troop research (by number of upgrades), plus better loot, far more to spend DE on (relative to considerably less production).

Yes, I get that it's not a huge shift in gameplay balance, and one that might even benefit the game (very very slightly). But you're just taking away more reasons for people to upgrade to TH10. There are already a ton of people who refuse to upgrade, because there aren't enough perks yet. For players that love GoWiPe, going from level 3 to level 5 is a decent perk. If they can already have level 4 at TH9, that level 5 upgrade wouldn't be nearly as big a perk.

I'm not against the move for the gameplay balance. It's simply the resource balancing (time mostly, number of upgrades to a lesser degree). The elixir cost is irrelevant, since resource balance became a non-issue the minute they released elixir walls.

There are literally hundreds of small changes just like this one, which probably wouldn't hurt the game, wouldn't necessarily help the game, that get suggested all the time. The purpose of this subforum isn't just to add more such petty suggestions. It's also for the rest of us to shoot down the ones that aren't carefully thought out. I was initially totally in favor of this suggestion, when I saw the strange pattern of 2 upgrades at TH8, 2 at TH10, but none at TH9. That alone was weird. Add to that, Supercell recently rebalanced the hit points of most of the non-defensive buildings, and that effectively nerfed level 3 pekkas against TH9's and early TH10's. The simple solution was to move level 4 pekkas to TH9, and I liked the idea. But after careful analysis of the bigger picture (especially the research), I'm totally against the move for now. I'm also totally in favor of the move, at some point in the future, when additional troop research is made available at TH10.

BTW, regarding the careful analysis: this is something that did NOT happen when people were begging for elixir walls. A few people sounded the warning that it would ruin the economy, but no one really listened. Elixir walls were introduced, and chaos ensued. Obviously, I don't consider this anywhere near that dire. But the careful analysis, in this situation, shows that this has more disadvantages than advantages. For now, anyway.

[awesomness2016]

You're trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem, by making an even bigger problem (making TH9 more "complete" while making TH10 more "incomplete")....The purpose of this subforum isn't just to add more such petty suggestions. It's also for the rest of us to shoot down the ones that aren't carefully thought out.

Right, but I don't see any of the arguments against moving it, such as the supposed imbalance of research that doesn't actually exist or matter, or the incompleteness of TH10, as good arguments, or reasons why the move should be rejected.

The only questions I actually find relevant to this discussion are 1. Is PEKKA 3 strong enough at TH9? and 2. Would PEKKA 4 be OP?

That and that alone is really all that is needed to determine what the best solution is, and my answers to that are 1. No, it's not really strong enough, and the only reason this isn't a problem is because TH9s have other options. As the top elixir troop though, it is rather underwhelming at TH9, which is why it doesn't get used all that much by TH9s that are attacking at higher levels. And 2. Pretty much everyone seems to be in agreement that giving PEKKA 4 to TH9 would make enough difference that PEKKAs would become a more competitive option, but not so much that they'd be OP.

[awesomness2016]

TH9 already has 30 levels of the archer queen, and 20 levels of the king, plus walls that are more expensive than TH10 walls (if you count the cost to upgrade those 25 new walls up to level 8, which is negligible in the grand scheme of things), plus more troop research (by number of upgrades), plus better loot, far more to spend DE on (relative to considerably less production).

Yes, I get that it's not a huge shift in gameplay balance, and one that might even benefit the game (very very slightly). But you're just taking away more reasons for people to upgrade to TH10. There are already a ton of people who refuse to upgrade, because there aren't enough perks yet. For players that love GoWiPe, going from level 3 to level 5 is a decent perk. If they can already have level 4 at TH9, that level 5 upgrade wouldn't be nearly as big a perk.

WHere are these people that don't want to upgrade because there aren't enough perks? That just sounds ridiculous, and I really don't see shifting a PEKKA level to TH9 causing anyone to be like screw it I'll just stay at TH9 forever. If you play long enough, you want to move forward and go to the next stage.

You did hit upon a couple important points here though that I sort of mentioned before, and that is that 1) those hero and wall upgrades take forever anyway, so adding another lab upgrade seems irrelevant because that's not the limiting factor if you want to max your TH. The bigger point though is that 2) hardly anyone maxes walls and heroes at TH9 because it's just not worth it and they'd rather go to TH10 and unlock more goodies! That wouldn't change if you moved the PEKKA 4 upgrade, and that's the point of it being a strategy game! Just because you'd now have the option of upgrading PEKKAs doesn't mean you'd have to use it, just like you run across plenty of TH10s that still have level 1 valks.

[ironagedave]

If a TH8 can have PEKKA level 3 - This has enabled TH8s to have a fair stab with GOWIPE strategies on TH9s
I therefore see no reason why TH9s can't have a Level 4 - by giving TH9s Level 4 you give them the ability to have a fairer stab at TH10s

Queing spells I also agree on but it can only be one or two extra spells - to save on cook time and not to hide elixr, any more than one or two would be pointless and open to abuse.

[Billy2001]

Th8: unlock pekka
th8: upgrade pekka to lvl2

th9: upgrade pekka level 3

th10: upgrade pekka level 4
th10: upgrade pekka level 5

[gamul1]

No. I just said something about this on another thread. We can't queue spells because it would be another way to dump huge amounts of elixir.

110,000 maximum is hardly a huge amount of elixir. Its a fraction of what you can hide in the barracks already.

[gamul1]

There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, I wish I had never upgraded my PEKKA in the first place. I don't use her. I find other units more suitable.

Man - are you missing out. But hey - please stick with your usage - especially when you attack me. Better for me.

Going to TH10 - PEKKA is at the top of my troop list to upgrade.

[ironagedave]

Th8: unlock pekka
th8: upgrade pekka to lvl2

th9: upgrade pekka level 3

th10: upgrade pekka level 4
th10: upgrade pekka level 5

I wish people would think before posting.

This is not a solution at all! That would be unfair on TH8s and you would not be able to reverse engineer this anymore than you could with the whole dragons discussion in other posts. Pekka Level 3 at TH8 is balanced as it gives them the ability to have a go at a TH9. The same should be available for TH9 taking on a TH10. And why should only 1 particular town hall be allowed the priviledge of 2 upgrades?

[gamul1]

Pekkas aren't as useful as you probably are thinking they are "if I only had 1 more level up". Mine are level 5 and there's pretty much no situation I've come across where they're useful. They're slow and stupid. Might as well take dragons instead and not have to deal with walls.

You must be using them wrong.