Please make Level 4 P.E.K.K.A. available at TH9 and put Queue on spell factory

[awesomness2016]

for the same reasons that:
Hogs were nerfed
witches were nerfed
lavapups were nerfed (slightly)

Honestly, I don't get why people want level 4 pekkas at 9 anyway. Gowipe? that's really all I see it being good for and that's a two star strategy at best in my opinion (unless you're using it on an 8 or premmie 9). Being a 9 myself I think it's fine as is you already get level 30 heros....mixed with level 4 pekkas sounds like a bit much.

First, I wasn't referring to balancing the strength of a troop vs the defense. I was referring to balancing the # of upgrades, and what you have to spend e vs gold on.

PEKKAs 4 wouldn't be any stronger than max witches, or level 2 hounds w max balloons, or max valks, and I'm not even sure if I would personally use them, (I generally do a 2 part attack starting with GoWiWi + heroes to take out the queen, cc, and an air d, and then LavaLoonion for the rest of the base) but it's about having more viable options.

Right now in most cases I don't really see PEKKA 3 as a viable option when I can use level 4 golems and level 2 witches. PEKKA 4 might at least make strategies involving PEKKA a little more tempting, but like you said, even with level 4 PEKKA, GoWipe is still probably a 2 star strategy against higher TH9s, unless you're really good with it. And in most cases you'll still probably need to bring hogs or balloons for support.

[badfish1979]

why does it have to be balanced?

Because there needs to be a good reason to upgrade your town hall. TH10 is at the top, so if TH9 had too many upgrades and too much power, there would be less of a reason to upgrade to TH10.

TH10 still isn't even complete, yet you want to take an upgrade away from it and give it to TH9.

This is a strategy game, and part of what makes it a strategy game is having an imbalance, otherwise decisions regarding what to upgrade or when to move up a town hall would be easy.

So then whatever imbalance there may be should be tipped in favor of the higher TH level - not the opposite.

I see no reason why giving TH9s level 4 PEKKA would necessitate taking something else away...no upgrade has ever worked like that before. Ever. So none of that seems relevant.

Just like no troop level has never been taken from a higher town hall level and given to a lower one.

What does seem relevant is a) are the level 3 PEKKA you get at TH8 still good enough at TH9?

Kind of like how the valkyrie you upgraded to level 4 is still good enough at TH10, even though you already upgraded both levels 3 and 4 at TH9? The witch you upgraded at TH9 to level 2 is still good at TH10, even though you already unlocked the witch at TH9 and upgraded it to level 2?

(note TH8 has 3 double upgrades, TH9 only has 2)

And note that TH10 only has one.

[badfish1979]

I wasn't referring to balancing the strength of a troop vs the defense. I was referring to balancing the # of upgrades, and what you have to spend e vs gold on.

And TH9 already has more lab upgrades than TH10.

[awesomness2016]

Because there needs to be a good reason to upgrade your town hall. TH10 is at the top, so if TH9 had too many upgrades and too much power, there would be less of a reason to upgrade to TH10.

I don't see switching level 4 PEKKA to TH9 as something that would make people less likely to go to TH10...things like inferno towers, 3rd xbow, 20 more army camp spots, freeze spell and 5th spell spot, and upgraded clan castle are all much bigger reasons than an upgraded PEKKA that still has to be upgraded a second time.

[MNvikingsfan1]

I agree completely... my gowipe has room for improvement, but I have completed all elixir upgrades possible at town hall 9 besides walls.

[awesomness2016]

And TH9 already has more lab upgrades than TH10.

I don't see why that would matter, but that's not correct anyway. There are 15 lab upgrades at TH9 and 18 at TH10, and TH10 takes a total of 60 days longer in the lab than TH9.


TH9: Barb, Archer, Giant, Balloon, Healer, Minion, Hog, Valk x2, Golem x2, Witch, Hound, Healing Spell, Jump Spell

TH10: Barb, Archer, Giant, Goblin, Wallbreaker, Wizard, Dragon, PEKKA x2, Minion, Golem, Hound, Lightning Spell, Jump Spell, Freeze Spell x4.

[Xitra]

I don't see why that would matter, but that's not correct anyway. There are 15 lab upgrades at TH9 and 18 at TH10, and TH10 takes a total of 60 days longer in the lab than TH9.


TH9: Barb, Archer, Giant, Balloon, Healer, Minion, Hog, Valk x2, Golem x2, Witch, Hound, Healing Spell, Jump Spell

TH10: Barb, Archer, Giant, Goblin, Wallbreaker, Wizard, Dragon, PEKKA x2, Minion, Golem, Hound, Lightning Spell, Jump Spell, Freeze Spell x4.

badfish was speaking about troop upgrades specifically, which you would know if you'd read the quote I posted earlier.

TH10 gets a ton of spell upgrades. But fewer troop upgrades. The troop upgrades take several days longer each, so that the total time spent on troop upgrades at TH10 is slightly longer than at TH9. Moving level 4 pekkas to TH9 would actually make the time spent just on troops take longer at TH9.

[awesomness2016]

Anyway, the point is, moving the pekka research to TH9 makes TH9 get more goodies than TH10. You would have considerably fewer exclusive research items at TH10, and even if you factor in the longer research times at TH10, you would still have "more" research to do at TH9, in terms of days spent researching troops.

By my count, TH9 is current 155 days to TH10 215 days. So 14 days more at TH9 and 14 days less at TH10 still gives you more at TH10. Also, in terms of the "goodies", I see that as mostly the freeze spell, extra spell spot, army camps, clan castle, inferno towers, extra xbow, 2 levels of cannons and archer towers, etc. I don't think there's any way to compare one to the other, or that 1 added level of PEKKA to TH9 would somehow mean that TH9 is now getting too much, or that it somehow outweighs the upgrades at TH10 (if anything the level 30 heroes at TH9 are the thing that is already too much...certainly a bigger deal than PEKKA 4)

[QUOTE=Xitra;4280782] Level 4 pekkas would have a small impact on TH9. It's not going to be "game-changing". It's not going to turn 1-star strategies into 3-star strategies overnight. It would cause some small percentage of 2-star attacks (which run out of time) to turn into 3-star attacks. And maybe a slight number of 0 or 1 star attacks to pick up one extra star. Yes, it'll make TH9's stronger, but it's not earth shattering.

That's kind of the point. And why I'm saying I only see reasons why you would do it, and no real reasons why it wouldn't.

Does TH9 "need" the level 4 pekka? No. Will it upset the research balance more than it's worth? Yes.

I thought we decided imbalance was good. And anyway, it doesn't.

[Xitra]

By the way, awesomness2016, I get the feeling that you feel like it's more important to move level 4 pekkas to TH9, than for Supercell to release new troops and/or troop levels to the game. As was painfully pointed out previously, the issue isn't that moving level 4 pekkas to TH9 would somehow imbalance gameplay (farming, war, trophy pushing, etc.). The problem is that TH10 needs more research, not less, relative to TH9. Your suggestion fixes a very small problem (if it's even a problem) by introducing a bigger problem.

I wouldn't be surprised if Supercell moves both level 4 pekkas and level 4 dragons down to TH9 at some point in the next 6-12 months. But before they can do that, they need to add more troops and/or troop levels at TH10.

Dragons would be easy, because moving level 4 dragons to TH9 (where they rightly belong today, far more than level 4 pekkas BTW) would most likely happen when level 5 dragons are finally released. However, I don't see Supercell adding a level 6 pekka, just to make it possible to move level 4 pekkas down to TH9. No, they'll have to add new levels to existing troops (there are several that are overdue for a new upgrade, especially ground troops), or release new dark troops (there's room for 4 more, and following the existing pattern, 2 new dark troops should be released at TH10).

So chillax! You'll probably get your level 4 pekkas at TH9 some day. But not today. Spend your energy arguing for new upgrades at TH10 (I think goblins, witches, and valks are overdue myself, but you may have your own wish list), and once they add at least 1-2 more upgrades at TH10, we can revisit the issue of level 4 pekkas.

[awesomness2016]

So the argument is based on only counting the things that are convenient to your side. How....convenient.


Spells cost loot, take up time, and are some of the most important offensive weapons in the game. Upgrading your freeze spell is probably more important at TH10 than upgrading any troop, but you don't want to take it into consideration when calculating whatever "balance" you're talking about. Brilliant.