Great great idea bro!
Great great idea bro!
Lol no. You do not understand this gameOriginally Posted by Bonnie2366
One thing people are overlooking
Using Elixer for walls = more people will good walls.
more good walls = more good bases
more good bases = no more barb/archer rushes during farming
no barb archer means you have to use better real armies.
Using real armies mean you have to use elix
Using Elix then means people complaining about why can't we use gold to build troops.
Just saying if you add this people will just find something else to complain and cry about being imbalanced.
^This. Haha i know, annoying, the only negative people don't read anything.
Lol yeah, i was spelling it wrong for a while too. But onto what you said, what about costs of leveling up all troops, and spells, and elixir upgrades whilst getting lv 1-9 walls?
You're leaving out the crucial parts where on a good day, at a good time, i can farm millions easily. I'm fairly sure whether we can buy walls with gold or elixir, that people will, still, in fact have resources... The main resources on the game come from 2 lots of people:
1) People who have quit and have it all sitting in their producers, (pretty sure they cant spend it if they dont play?)
and 2) People like me, who have max elixir and gold storages 24/7 whether its 2m 4m 6m or 8m of each depending on how many storages you have. Here's how it goes: I attack, fill all 8 storages, while i have 0 spare builders, as soon as one becomes free, i send it to do something expensive (i currently have three 7 million dollar upgrades happening, lv 3 xbow, lv 3 xbow and max clan castle and a tesla for 2.5) meanwhile i've been wasting millions of elixir due to lack of elixir upgrades, i now have 1.6mill gold on me, and 8,001,000 elixir) with PEKKA lv 3 for 6mill elixir going in lab... soo what's next when i get a spare builder?
So, people like me, will still, infact have max storages because we max them in preparation for a spare builder, not wait till their spare, then attack and waste time. we do it, then chill till we have spare builders.
Now, the ONLY people that would be spending elixir on walls that u would normally be able to steal, would have spent it on something else ANYWAY.
*sigh*
Spending elixir or gold on walls apparently means "no resources for me or you" Uhhh.. I dont know about you, but i dont atttack for just one resource. I attack for both, if someone have 10k/200k ill just next them.. unless i DESPERATELY need just one resource for one upgrade. So i hardly see how that's an issue? Plus those people with storages like that ^ are normally saving for an Elixir UPGRADE, such as troops, or camps, barracks, DE upgrades etc. And that still wouldn't change even if walls could cost gold or elixir, people will still spend gold on walls too. And btw at lower levels (when i had elixir upgrades) i'd spend all gold on walls, then send builder to do elixir upgrade. Sooo.. No gameplay is going to change. The 2 main loots will still, always be there.
Now, you're also overlooking people that actually know how to attack without a cost, and quicker army rebuilds.
On good days, at good times, i can easily get 200/200+ or 300/300+ with 20-30 archers and 20 goblins and still get the 50% win. Why should i have to use excess troops just because others aren't smart enough? As it is as TACTICAL game after all. Profiting off others with little investment from yourself.
Using elixir for walls means more good bases? Idk about you man, but maybe you should look up the stats for wall breakers, most breakers can only destroy certain walls, and having a level or 2 above it doesn't change. E.G Pink walls (lv6), purple walls (lv7) and black walls (lv8) ALL require 2 lv 5 wall breakers. The only difference is if your out of breakers and your troops are trying to break it, in that case, your attack strategy failed and you don't deserve the loot, or 2 you put them on a rage spell.
Using "real armies" requires elixir.. hmm i'm pretty sure all elixir requires elixir. If you're talking about dragons and pekkas using a tonne of elixir, then you're probably using too many for your trophy level, and you in fact are wasting your elixir.
People will never complain about troops 'not costing gold' as 90% of the game upgrades require gold
The point is, there is always more gold upgrades, but elixir has it limits, and until you reach it, you won't understand how horrible it is haha. It sucks watching millions upon millions that you earnt from attacking go to waste.
So in summary, yeah guys I understand troops cost elixir, no one is questioning there will be some loss in elixir from building troops, but in no way will allow for 1.3billion extra. I discuss this further in a big reply earlier. where you would need something like 35,000+ dragons just to allow for it, and the build time for them without gemming is over a year etc etc etc, its ridiculous lol. I also understand there will always be a need for elixir for armies, and just further proves my point that there will be no significant change in attacking, as people will always hold elixir for armies, upgrading, or they have quit or have storages full waiting for builders. And if you are concerned about "now not having elixir to build troops" then dont buy walls with elixir, buy them with gold, no one is forcing you to buy them AT ALL, at least this way you have a choice. Don't want to spend elixir on walls? then dont. Dont wanna waste gold on walls while elixir goes to waste? Then dont.
If you can afford 200k/500k/1m/3m PER walls for 250 walls I think their bases deserve to be harder than for your average lv8 th attacker to come along and wipe them out. They worked for it, let them have it, there will always be more elixir and gold aroundNo one is forcing you to attack the hardest bases.
Last edited by Brandollar; June 5th, 2013 at 07:20 AM.
Love this idea.
They should just somewhat reduce the high-end wall costs. Elixir is good as it is right now. My opinion.
Yes sure you can do that on average right now but I would love to see you try to pull those averages when you are constantly running into more bases with black walls and then even more with lvl 9 and 10 walls. Once you hit bases that high low cost armies just don't cut it anymore. Look at the high level gameplay of anyone in the top 100 attacking each other. The archers and barbs in those armies are minimal.
Now, you're also overlooking people that actually know how to attack without a cost, and quicker army rebuilds.
On good days, at good times, i can easily get 200/200+ or 300/300+ with 20-30 archers and 20 goblins and still get the 50% win. Why should i have to use excess troops just because others aren't smart enough? As it is as TACTICAL game after all. Profiting off others with little investment from yourself.
Using elixir for walls means more good bases? Idk about you man, but maybe you should look up the stats for wall breakers, most breakers can only destroy certain walls, and having a level or 2 above it doesn't change. E.G Pink walls (lv6), purple walls (lv7) and black walls (lv8) ALL require 2 lv 5 wall breakers. The only difference is if your out of breakers and your troops are trying to break it, in that case, your attack strategy failed and you don't deserve the loot, or 2 you put them on a rage spell.
Using "real armies" requires elixir.. hmm i'm pretty sure all elixir requires elixir. If you're talking about dragons and pekkas using a tonne of elixir, then you're probably using too many for your trophy level, and you in fact are wasting your elixir.
People will never complain about troops 'not costing gold' as 90% of the game upgrades require gold
The point is, there is always more gold upgrades, but elixir has it limits, and until you reach it, you won't understand how horrible it is haha. It sucks watching millions upon millions that you earnt from attacking go to waste.
So in summary, yeah guys I understand troops cost elixir, no one is questioning there will be some loss in elixir from building troops, but in no way will allow for 1.3billion extra. I discuss this further in a big reply earlier. where you would need something like 35,000+ dragons just to allow for it, and the build time for them without gemming is over a year etc etc etc, its ridiculous lol. I also understand there will always be a need for elixir for armies, and just further proves my point that there will be no significant change in attacking, as people will always hold elixir for armies, upgrading, or they have quit or have storages full waiting for builders. And if you are concerned about "now not having elixir to build troops" then dont buy walls with elixir, buy them with gold, no one is forcing you to buy them AT ALL, at least this way you have a choice. Don't want to spend elixir on walls? then dont. Dont wanna waste gold on walls while elixir goes to waste? Then dont.
If you can afford 200k/500k/1m/3m PER walls for 250 walls I think their bases deserve to be harder than for your average lv8 th attacker to come along and wipe them out. They worked for it, let them have it, there will always be more elixir and gold around
Seriously just look at any of their bases right now and tell me what is sitting in their army camps. Your cost effective armies only work now because not that many people have those high level walls. Once people can more easily acquire high level walls all these easy bases you keep talking about will slowly become less and less existent. Sure if you want to brag about raiding some kid who hasn't even logged in in 5 days go ahead but the players that actually still play will all get high level walls.
And I never said anything about me using dragons or pekkas. I'm currently have full elix storages because I constantly run barb and archers rushes almost exclusively. I just realize that I wouldn't be able to do that forever once people can actually improve their walls to a higher level.
Sure farming on noobs/inactive bases is fun to rack up massive amounts of resources but eventually its fun to actually try and raid and trophy hunt on people that play that still play the game.
If anything I think elixer should be used instead of gold for spells. Doesn't make sense how everything defensive is gold. everything offensive is elixer yet spells are all offensive and they are paid for in gold
And yet you're still not taking into account that if you what say is true, and people need more elixir for armies, then u dont have to worry about it... If elixir is needed, why are u worried about people being able to spend 500k + on each wall? So you agree, normally that elixir would go to waste.... BTW black walls can be destroyed by 2 breakers, just like 75k walls, lol. And fyi i dont use barbs. People will still spend gold on walls, it's just giving people the option to not WASTE elixir, if elixir is so important for armies you have nothing to worry about. I can just as easily destroy a base with black walls as one with pink walls, WB's, good strategy and correct troops go a long way mate.
I don't farm. and barely attack, so my views can be narrow minded,
Nonetheless, you seem to be supporting me disproving a claim of yours?
My points
Most people don't go for level10 walls
Troops costs from th1- max th9 except for walls balances the problem
Farming to get level 9 walls can offset the balance
Too much elixir, not too little gold
Your points
I gets millions of elixer and my builders are constantly busy, I usually have max elixer
You have enough gold, but too much elixer, exactly what I said.The fact that you have so much elixir doesn't go to show that you use gold so much more. but there's just too much elixir, I think allowing people to spend all this excess elixer would make raiding much for difficult, and therefore make people buy more expensive and powerful troops, but they already spent all their elixer, so they can't use the elixer button anymore, or risk not being able to raid.
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