Valkyrie Queen

[Tsampsel25]

How come everyone wants another Queen, I thought there is only one Queen in a kingdom?

[WarrenJames]

I don't see how a new hero will keep the game balanced.

Edit: A hero is not hard to make. Take the existing troop and supe it up. There. You have a hero.

Not picking on you, but you came up with a great example of a common misconception.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balan...-1-definitions
Balancing so many factors in a game is always hard, harder than what most people think at first. I'll let the page I linked explain things. You can just skim through just to get an idea of how hard it is.

Also, is this supposed to be in the other forum?

[Xitra]

Yes I saw this:
*Release a hero for every troop type (Some more may come eventually, but not EVERY troop)

To me, it sound like a nice way of saying no more heroes for now. "may come eventually" does not mean it will come. Nowadays, everyone is requesting a hero of every troop type. Goblin, wizard, dragon, valkyrie.

I don't see how a new hero will keep the game balanced.

Edit: A hero is not hard to make. Take the existing troop and supe it up. There. You have a hero.

Okay, I get that "may come eventually" doesn't mean "we're releasing a new hero every week for the next 2 months" or something like that.

But I honestly don't understand why so many people take it to mean "it's 100% ruled out, don't bother requesting because it'll never happen, and everyone feel free to pounce on every new hero suggestion and remind people that they're ruled out!"

Every time I see someone post that new hero suggestions are ruled out, I just cringe.

[edomingox]

Not picking on you, but you came up with a great example of a common misconception.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balan...-1-definitions
Balancing so many factors in a game is always hard, harder than what most people think at first. I'll let the page I linked explain things. You can just skim through just to get an idea of how hard it is.

Also, is this supposed to be in the other forum?

I understand balancing is tough. People don't consider the balance when submitting their hero. I'm just saying that it's not hard to make a hero (throw in stats and that's it). Too many threads are made asking for a hero of a troop type. In fact, I can create a thread for a hero of every troop and let people decide which one they want first. Of course everyone will pick the most powerful one.

Personally, I think if they ever make a new hero, it should be different than the troops. In this case, they should not put that sentence about heroes in the ruled out section. It should be in the "considered" section.

That is why I posted the idea of a "Champions Barracks". People can then submit threads on all types of heroes, including ones that are troops and be used in the champions barracks. The catch is only 1 of that troop can be made in the army. So, you can make a Wizard King, Dragon King, Valkyrie Queen and Alpha Lava Hound in an army. They will just use up all the housing costs.

I don't think any more ideas for troop heroes should be made. There are just way too many. They have their template for troops heroes already with the BK and AQ. I'm sure the next troop heroes will follow the same template (high health and attack and summon troops).

[WarrenJames]

OK, so obvous balancing issues aside, making a Hero with a significant ability that isn't <copy of base troop> + <copy of current Hero pattern> = <brand new 'original' Hero idea> would be what we should look for, right? So think outside the box? Lol, given what I've seen of how people gravitate to common ideas, that'll be hard. I like the challenge though, and maybe could come up with a few ideas that aren't too formulaic.

Though, before I get too far on the idea, I would need some helpful info. Like, the most likely TH level this will be introduced, and what kind of strategy or strategies issues would this help answer. The hero needs a reason for being, and so that will shape what they do. It would also lend itself toward what kind of troop it would be based on, given the base troop's function. I mean as neat as it would be to have, purely as an example, an arch mage that can fireball 2 or more buildings at once at a distance of 5 like the Queen, the main question is 'why add it?', 'what purpose does it serve, besides it is cool looking?' (and OP as hell is hot)

[edomingox]

the main question is 'why add it?', 'what purpose does it serve, besides it is cool looking?' (and OP as hell is hot)

exactly. this is why I don't think we need one right now. there's no necessity other than making people feel like the game is changing at an appropriate rate.

Personally, I think having more heroes will unbalance the game onto the offensive side, in a game where defense should be more powerful. If offense is too powerful, I think more people will leave the game.

I understand this is an offense heavy game. But it's all in the perspective of what someone has upgraded more of, troops or defense. Troops are easier to upgrade since you have 4 times as much defense structures to upgrade than troop types.

[WarrenJames]

exactly. this is why I don't think we need one right now. there's no necessity other than making people feel like the game is changing at an appropriate rate.

Personally, I think having more heroes will unbalance the game onto the offensive side, in a game where defense should be more powerful. If offense is too powerful, I think more people will leave the game.

I understand this is an offense heavy game. But it's all in the perspective of what someone has upgraded more of, troops or defense. Troops are easier to upgrade since you have 4 times as much defense structures to upgrade than troop types.

Awesome thanks!
OK, my list of ides is...!
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Perfect, right? Don't tell me this Hero idea is OP, because I'd just pitch a frick'n fit if it was! I spent way to much time coming up with this idea, and I think it perfectly fits the needs of the system.

(And yes, ∅ is hyperlinked, in case you don't know the reference)