I think everything is perfectly balanced. The cost to build a dragon only army is extremely expensive. You would hope that an army that expensive would be able to get three stars, it's pretty much as expensive as it gets. It's not just TH7 that gets devastated by dragons I use lvl3 dragons to wipe out maxed TH9 by just using a couple spells with them. But again it is a very expensive strategy and you really do get what you pay for.
Expensive should not equal overpowered. Clan Wars is not a bidding game.Originally Posted by Nightfury4321
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The videos were cute, but didn't prove your point. The first two videos were at least TH9's. Using 3x lightning plus a rage spell? Yeah, I'd like to see a TH8 pull that off! Using an AQ? Really? And what about the max balloons in the CC. Totally fair, even for a TH8, but it doesn't help make the case that level 3 dragons alone can 3-star a maxed TH8 on their own.
Plus, none of those TH8's had an anti-dragon layout. I didn't say "it's impossible to 3-star a maxed TH8" with level 3 dragons. I said "it's almost impossible to 3-star a maxed TH8 with a good base layout".
First of all, I said "almost". I know it can be done, in the hands of a skilled attacker. Dropping 10 dragons in a corner plus spells (3x lightning, 3x rage, 3x heal, rage/heal) is a 2-star attack at best. It takes skill to 3-star a maxed TH8 with level 3 dragons, and I have no problem with 3-star strategies that take a lot of skill.
Second of all, I specifically pointed out the "good base layout" part. With a good base layout, the only way a TH8 can 3-star a maxed TH8 with a good base layout is with max loons or a level 4 dragon plus max loon in CC, and 3x rage. A good maxed TH8 base layout only needs 2 level 6 AD's to defend against dragons, so 3x lightning won't get the job done.
Last edited by Xitra; March 20th, 2015 at 06:41 PM.
Exactly! Dragons in regular matchmaking are totally fine, as far as I'm concerned. If someone wants to spend 250k-450k elixir as a TH7-TH8, to get a guaranteed 3-stars against other TH7-TH8's in regular matchmaking, then let them.
But in clan wars, time and price should not be factors in who gets to win. Only skill. Skill to choose the right army and spell composition, then skill to deploy. Dragons at TH7 require neither.
Hmm, a week-old TH7 versus a maxed TH7. What army should I build? The choices are practically limitless!! Okay, 10 dragons.
Spells? 3 spell slots, 3 choices, a total of 10 combinations. Hmm... Okay, 3 lightning spells.
So, flip a coin to choose an AD, then 3x lightning to destroy. Now what? Should I deploy from the top? The left? Should I draw my dragons out in a V? Spread a line along the side? Drop them in a single cluster? I know, I'll let my cat walk across my iPad to deploy my dragons. Yay, 3 stars!!!
Yeah, the skill involved is mind-boggling.
It should be difficult for TH7 to three-star TH8. At the moment, it is much easier than TH6 three-starring TH7, or TH8 three-starring TH9.
The use of 10 dragons against TH8 is, in my opinion, observation and experience, a waste of resources, when 5 dragons plus 20 balloons do it better. The 20 balloons require greater skill, or restraint, yes. In both cases, mopping up troops may be needed and are a good idea.
Yep. Worked for me every time.
Worked with less dragons, with balloons following up to. With level 2 dragons, it was so easy. Looking at the stats, I am surprised at so little difference between level 1 and level 2 dragons. Or was it that in early TH7, before level 2 dragons, I had little elixir to spend on so many dragons.
The stat bump for each level of dragons is relatively disappointing. It adds up over 2-3 levels, but a single level increase isn't terribly noticeable. That's one of the reasons I think the DPS on level 1 dragons could be nerfed without messing up the game. If anything, it would make people look forward to the level 2 upgrade.
Balloons, on the other hand, get a huge boost in stats. The difference is very noticeable. I'd rather take 1 level of balloons than 2 levels of dragons. As a TH8, I'd rather have level 1 dragons and level 5 balloons, than level 3 dragons and level 4 balloons. Not for every raid, but for the majority. I've only used all dragons a couple times in war, out of several dozen attacks. For the most part, I use at least 8 balloons, either in my camps or in CC. I rarely use more than 7 dragons. I tend to use 7 drags, 12 balloons at TH8, or 8/8 at TH7. For a weak enough opponent, I'll even throw in minions to save elixir. Sometimes I'll bring a couple minions just to get builder huts in the corners, so I don't have to worry as much about time.
I actually agree. My main account is Th10 but have been playing my alt account at Th7 now a bit more.
Its truly pointless to try and defend against dragons as a Th7.
I still dislike them because I feel like their is tremendously little to using them at Th7 (almost feels like ♥♥♥♥♥ing).
But I think a 3rd air defense would be the easiest solution. Th7 is limited otherwise and it would make things like hogs and giants look much better in comparison. You could still lighting off an AD. Balloons would be obsolete but honestly level 4 balloons stink anway.
The only other thing would be to nerf dragons at level 2. I feel like at level 1 you stand a chance, just not a good one.
3rd air defense would destroy the balance as it cripples giant/healer and balloons as well.
Seeking air mine would only have a minor/no impact on those strategies.
Honestly, short of directly nerfing dragons by reducing their stats, the easiest way to nerf with them negligible impact is to give a second SAM to TH7. It effectively does 16 housing space of damage (1500/1900 hit points on a level 1 dragon), whereas it can only take out 5 housing space worth of balloon.
A third AD at TH7 would destroy balloonion and giant-healer. Giving the level 6 AD to TH7 would have far less impact to other strategies. Not necessarily arguing for level 6 AD at TH7, but it's better than giving the 3rd AD.
Last edited by Xitra; March 23rd, 2015 at 04:48 PM.
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