Penalty for leaving during war

[ICYHURR]

It needs to be done...

[erethizon]

What you can do as the leader is to not allow someone to war with you until they've been with you a while. In other words, only include your core reliable players in war. New people need to show commitment by staying in the clan for at least a week before being included for war.

Doesn't guarantee people wont leave during war, but it should weed out the worst hoppers.

This is really the best way to deal with it assuming people leaving during war is a big problem for you.

[Gama321]

Your fault for allowing hoppers to war, they havent done anything wrong by not attacking.
Also whats to stop them from warring with one barb and making a troll base thats easy to three star because you wont let them leave?

[iceageg]

Why do you want to punish somebody that you don't want to be in your clan for leaving your clan? Shame on you.

To expand on what rwelshjr already said with a specific example of why it is a bad idea and ways most of us prevent it . . .

Welcome to the forum. In the future please use the search function and contribute to an identical existing thread instead of starting a new identical thread. Your request gets posted a lot. Incentivizing staying could work except most people who hop between clans are doing so for GOOD reasons. You would be discouraging visiting friends and helping feeder/alliance clans. Self-quoting from one of the previous ones . . .

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
or
12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

Also, in an effort to not only help the OP understand the horrible repercussions of their idea, here is a list of many of the most common things successful clans do to prevent "D-bag hoppers" from being a nuisance. Quoting myself from a recent thread again . . .

Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players don't want in your clan didn't want to be in your clan. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (Opted out by leader/co)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

[rwelshjr]

These are poorly thought out ideas they should absolutely not do.

Here are the innocent people it would hurt... (This is over 3/4 of all guys that step out during war)

• Guys traveling to their feeder clan.
• Guys going to request & leave clan to get war troops
• Guys going to visit a friend but plans to come back when his attack time comes.
• Guys going to give troops to a partner clan they have a mutual support agreement.

Here are who it would not would not hurt (This is a minority)

• Hoppers. They can just scam the system to avoid the penalty.

Ways to scam the system are

• Do 2 quick attacks of one archer each to satisfy the requirement
• Troll the clan (doing damage to it) until they get kicked.

I see other posters have already given very good advice on how to avoid having the hopper problem in the first place so instead of repeating them I will refer you to their posts on he previous pages. If a clan or leader lacks the will to do those things then the consequences of not doing them are really his own fault more than the hopper's.

[GameSketcher]

Really...I'm tired of people leaving during war without even doing one attack, or even worse, leaving during the preparation day. I don't know about you guys around the world, but here in Brazil the players have no respect whatsoever, they just get in the clan to get some troops, and leave during war without explaining why. That's just really immature, not to mention those that are in the clan and don't do both attacks, which we have to kick after the war of course.

My resolution is:

1 - if the player put OPT IN and left the clan during preparation day, he should receive a penalty of 10 days without the chance of entering any clan.
- Good, but only 3 days would be better

2 - if the player put OPT IN and left the clan without performing both attacks, he should receive that same penalty as #1.
-||-

3 - if the player put OPT IN and didn't leave the clan, but didn't do both attacks either, the leaders and co-leaders have the option to kick him and ban him with 7 days without the chance to enter any clan. That way, if someone says "i'm sorry guys, i can't attack because of bla bla bla", the leaders would have the option to forgive him and don't apply this penalty.
- good... but I think Leaders can decide to apply/don't apply any of the penalties

What do you guys think?


PS: can anyone move this to ideas? I posted it in the wrong place, sorry

It's already in Ideas Subforum

[rwelshjr]

It's already in Ideas Subforum

How can you read right past the 2 posts above yours and still think this is a good idea? they explained quite well why this is a poorly thought out suggestion that would in fact hurt the game.

You are not the first one so this is not really about just you personally. But I sometimes get amazed about how some butt hurt kid can only see their own anger and desires and blindly ignore what's real.

[Bwit51]

With the new choose who goes to war I feel like this shouldn't be such a big issue anymore

[rwelshjr]

With the new choose who goes to war I feel like this shouldn't be such a big issue anymore

Agreed. And that is spoken to earlier in this thread.

This is really just something being driven by angry kids that got burned and now they want to hurt somebody. They are ignoring all methods for preventing the problem in the first place because their anger is right now giving them an inner need to punish and force.

[MehulJ]

images.jpg I totally Agree wish supercell acts on this ASAP!!!