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    Senior Member MrKel's Avatar
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    Exclamation Psa: Stop upgrading your defenses!!!

    This Public Service Announcement comes to you from a TH8-TH9 clan that aspires to be great at war.

    STOP UPGRADING YOUR DEFENSES. JUST STOP IT.

    What madness is this? Upgrading defenses has always been the aspiration in Clash of Clans. Who doesn't want dark purple wizard towers or mortars that launch explosives into hordes of unsuspecting, freshly vaporized barchers?

    But if you care about war, you'll leave your defenses alone. You'll work on your walls, heroes and troops instead, because these have a lot more to do with the outcome than any upgraded defense ever will.

    Assumption 1: 'Clan Strength' as determined by the matchmaking algorithm is largely based on defenses.

    That shiny xbow you've just upgraded to level 3 is not neat. It's a huge liability. It's shifted your position on the war map well above your peers, making your at-level opponent harder for you to defeat. This is especially true if you've neglected your troops. (Plus, they totally mock you when you log off for neglecting them. It's true.)

    If you have maxed your defenses, without maxing your heroes and troops, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

    Assumption 2: Base Layout has more to do with winning on defense than defensive upgrades.

    And the single biggest factor when it comes to base layout? Walls. No, you do not need to rush to TH10 to get a pair of infernos. Sure, they'll vaporize the little guys, but you will still get steamrolled by the big ones. Take the coin you'd be spending on rushed defenses, and use it to upgrade your walls instead.

    If you have a single defense upgraded at TH9 without 100% skull walls (level 8), YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

    Assumption 3: OFFENSE wins wars.

    To win clan wars, you need the troops to consistently three-star your opponent; and, depending on your clan's war regime, your opponent probably has a similar location on the war map as you. Bumping your defenses puts you higher on the map, and unless you have some hardcore firepower, you will fail there -- both on defense and offense.

    If your troops are not capable of three-starring your opponent and you're upgrading defenses, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.



    We've seen so many TH9's that have poured their lives into defenses whilst completely neglecting their troops. With the new emphasis on Clan Wars via leveling and perks, this is becoming an ever more egregious form of rushing. Not only does it make your war matchups more difficult, it also guarantees that your war log will remain in the red.

    Do yourself and the clan you'll be joining a favor. Leave your defenses alone.

    Troops > Heroes > Walls > Defenses

    And yeah, I know what happens when you assume. This one might be a little over-the-top, but we're seeing first hand what happens when players fail to consider the effect defenses are having on the bigger picture.



    Edit: Supercell has done little in the way of updates to kill this thread. When they do, it should totally die.
    Last edited by MrKel; October 1st, 2015 at 04:15 PM. Reason: Supercell has done little in the way of updates to kill this thread. When they do, it should totally die.

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    This is so totally true... Ever since my clan has jumped to town hall 9 I've told everyone of them to work on defenses last...with everyone cooperating it working magnificently!!! Were all working on walls to lvl9&10..heroes then defenses great advice op

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    Same thing I said in your previous thread regarding xbows, the priorities are different for each type of player. Casual players will complain at the idea of having idle builders while making hardly any progress (since farming walls takes a lot of time). It is, however, the best mindset for hardcore farming/warring clans.

    Still, I wouldn't say that this logic is the right one. Some experimented players have said this before, if you can 3 star your opposing enemy, why not upgrade defenses and get heavier on your base weight? Mind you that if you were thorough with your TH8 upgrades, it shouldn't take you long before you have a decent offensive lineup as a TH9 (220-30 capacity, hounds, witches, maxed hogs and loons, 10 BK and AQ). Asking yourself: "can I consistently 3 star enemies at my rank?" is a good way to approach your weight progress, I think.
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    You need defense as well as offence. If your team is getting steam rolled due to weak defense, your not going to win a lot of wars. A good balance is needed. For every troop you upgrade, consider upgrading something on Defense.
    You want to spend your time on your walls, that's great. I'll be by with some jump spells ASAP.

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    If I have one CoC related regret, it's that I maxed my TH9 defenses before maxing walls and heroes (both getting close, but not there yet). I would love to have lava walls and max heroes for awhile with less than maxed defenses, just to see where I would land on the war roster. Three starring bases with purple/black walls is so much easier than bases with full legos/lavas! I think I've been three starred one time over the past several months, and it was by lavaloon, not ground troops. If my archer towers and xbows were knocked back a level, I don't think I would be getting three starred on a regular basis, so why do I have them maxed?

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    Very true. On my TH9 account, my heroes are 11 and 12 with low troops, but my defenses are maxed and walls all to lvl 9. I have trouble 3 starring th9's right now because my troop levels are not maxed. I get 2 stars with 85% and I know if I had lvl 20 heroes it would be 3 stars. I still have all my dark troops to max except golems. The dark troops and heros get you the wins!
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    This is 100% true if your sole focus is winning wars. The problem is trying to tell your other 30+ members that aren't a Th10 to max their troops, heros, and walls before upgrading their defense. Most don't want to make that sacrifice. We do however have minimum requirements before one can up to the next Th level. Again this is the right idea to win wars, it's just hard to get members to do that when everyone wants the next defense level.
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    Assumption 1 is a big stretch. SC has stated that the match algorithm uses both defense and offense to determine over all clan strength. To assume that defense is the lions share is a bit sporty.

    Assumption 2, that Walls are more important than defense is also completely wrong. Air defense is most important. Many of the most reliable attack strategies at all th levels completely ignore walls. (6-loons, 7-dragons, 8-dragons/hogs, 9 laloon/hogo/holo, etc). If you were to advocate that walls are more important than mortars and canons, they yea, I'm right there with ya.

    Assumption 3, yup, right there with you buddy.
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    I'm basically inline & that's what I'm doing too as a th9.
    Here's my version:

    Troops/Spell/Camp > Heroes > Air Defense > Traps > Archer/Wizard Tower > Base layout > Walls > Defenses (Canon/Mortar/Xbow/IT)

    bottomline: good balance with offense stronger than defense. i.e. I will try to maintain my troops that can most likely 3 stars my own base.

    ps, it's really hard to convince other clanmates to follow suits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogyh03 View Post
    This is 100% true if your sole focus is winning wars. The problem is trying to tell your other 30+ members that aren't a Th10 to max their troops, heros, and walls before upgrading their defense. Most don't want to make that sacrifice.
    No kidding. Puts a whole new spin on the cat herding that is managing a clan in a war-centric environment. Ours isn't hardcore when it comes to war, but we're working together to be smart about it as best we can. Of course, there are still those who don't understand how their defensive upgrades affect the entire clan. Kinda why I felt this PSA was absolutely necessary. Sure, upgrades are your choice -- but doing them poorly really screws your entire clan when it comes to war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jietoh View Post
    Assumption 1 is a big stretch. SC has stated that the match algorithm uses both defense and offense to determine over all clan strength. To assume that defense is the lions share is a bit sporty.

    Assumption 2, that Walls are more important than defense is also completely wrong. Air defense is most important. Many of the most reliable attack strategies at all th levels completely ignore walls. (6-loons, 7-dragons, 8-dragons/hogs, 9 laloon/hogo/holo, etc). If you were to advocate that walls are more important than mortars and canons, they yea, I'm right there with ya.
    I keep hearing that it uses both offense and defense, but have yet to see a single person in our clan bumped on the map because of a troop upgrade. It may go more into how clans are matched behind the scenes, but (anecdotally speaking) it seems that much more weight is put on defense than offense; and I agree, some defenses can be worth it, air in particular given how superior air attacks in war have become.


    We're to the point where we lowered our requirements to let in seasoned TH8's, in the hopes that we'll catch them early and help them to be selective about upgrades. And we're stepping up recruitment toward this end:



    It's so crazy, it just might work?
    Last edited by MrKel; March 9th, 2015 at 10:22 PM. Reason: clarity

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