I, a midway th 8 with an anti hog base am RARELY three starred, let alone ATTACKED in wars. But in the past two wars I have been attacked by dragons, Lvl 3+ and yet only gotten 1 or barely 2 starred.Originally Posted by DankReaper92
ps I use my own custom army in wars and if not I use balloonion, infact I've never done an all dragon raid
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Do you feel better? Because you look like a crybaby, to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that dragons are OP at TH7. Any noob with 3 lightning spells and 10 level 2 dragons, plus another dragon in the clan castle, can get 3 stars against pretty much any TH7 base, even a maxed TH7.
So I get where your coming from, when you say no skill is required.
But that's where you're wrong.
Ever tried to 3-star a TH8 with level 1 dragons? Sure, it's not terribly hard, but I guarantee that those same noobs you're complaining about won't be able to get 3 stars against a TH8 with a decent layout. I've done it. 8 level 1 dragons, 8 level 3 balloons, and 5 more level 3 balloons in my clan castle. (Note: those are TH6 balloons.) The TH8 had a mix of level 4 and level 5 air defenses, protected behind storages, and I still managed 3 stars. No noob could have pulled it off, except through sheer dumb luck.
Saying that dragons require no skill is like saying that barch requires no skill. Sure, if you use level 5 troops and barch a TH7, that doesn't take much skill. Using those same level 5 troops against a mid-TH8, and getting 1-2 stars plus most of the storage loot? It might not be rocket science, but a noob can't do it.
It's all about which troops you use against which levels. My TH7 can use 3x lightning against the AD on a TH6, then send in giants and healers with impunity. Don't even need much DPS backup, just enough archers to take out the CC. Doesn't really take much skill.
Same attack against a TH7 or TH8? Very different story.
So yeah, a TH7 hitting a TH7 with mass dragons doesn't take a whole lot of skill. I've used nothing but dragons and balloons (occasionally some minions) in my last 10-12 wars. I always hit people stronger than myself, unless the war is almost over and I need to cleanup a lower TH level to clinch to war, or at least to make sure we get all the clan XP. I've taken out a TH9 with level 2 dragons. (Admittedly, all his AD's were level 3 and under, but still, he had 4 of them.)
Level 1 dragons need to be nerfed. It's not even really open for debate. I doubt it will happen, so it will continue to be a sore spot for people. But I don't complain about it; I exploit it. Well, okay, I do complain about it, but with facts and arguments, not crybaby complaints. And until it's fixed, or I reach mid-TH8, I'll continue to exploit it.
You? You make yourself sound like a child throwing a tantrum.
Just try it and use it. Demonstrate your claim to us, with you doing the attacking. Too bad you can't go back to being a TH7 getting your first lvl1 dragons, and then TH8 where it takes more work to take on bases the same TH level, and TH9 where you need to mix in a few units in for you to 3 star. Then after your simplistic use of dragons, tell us it requires no brains to use. The other unit compositions could be argued as requiring no brains either, as long as you just pour funds into it. Just because it is a one unit type attack, shouldn't automatically mean it is a cheap and lame attack.
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1. Dragon attacks are only viable at th7 and th8, unless your rushed in which case, you shouldn't be complaining.
2. Dragon attacks still need a lot of skill...
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I've taken it as a challenge to stop dragon 3 star attacks. I consider it a win if you only give up one or two stars. Their is a lot that can go wrong using dragons ,placement is key. Spell choice influences placement . some bases are set up in such a way that time is a factor so using other troops along with your dragons may be necessary. Its not a given. Its part of that portion of the game th7 through the 8 .Dont wish for a change find ways to slow it down.
LOL, well said sir and welcome to our world. It does get nonsensical. Especially when each new poster is some butt hurt kid that knows nothing but his own inner rage he can't control. he will beat the (already beaten to death over and over by others) horse to death because he can't see what he doesn't know and is too sure he knows everything already to ever learn otherwise. Anyhow, I feel you bud.
And now on to a perfect case of the point....
Wow, listen to this one. he can't defend his base so everyone else is a moron/idiot/kid/pathetic....
Sure there are a lot of other strategies, the good clashers know all of them, including dragons. And when they come across a badly designed base wide open to dragons why should they pick any different strategy? Of course this guy gets dragged a lot. Guys are deciding to save their DE for hero upgrades and take him down with drags. And having been a magnet for it has him all jacked about dragon users. (he can try to say this is not correct but all the name calling he did gives him away) But its fine, if he feels this way he can just not upgrade and keep getting beat up and thinking the only reason he loses so much is because everyone else is stupid.
Drags do take skill to get by bases where guys have upgraded and designed their base to resist them. (which is why more than a few offered that as advice, it does work) The only people that think its just push the button and drop them are the weaker attackers that have never figured out anything deeper than that.
Drags need neither a nerf nor a buff.
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This topic could easily be it's own wiki page. Would love to just direct people to the page and be done with the argument, as the page does the job for me
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I have a mid-TH7 and an early-TH8 in the same clan. I use dragons every war, except one time when I needed to take out a TH7 that forgot to update his base from the previous war, so he still had his TH6 layout (one AD). I took that guy out with giant-healer.
But yeah, I use dragons every attack in war. Against a really strong base (like my early-TH8 taking on a near-maxed TH8 or a rushed TH9, or my TH7 taking on a TH8), I'll use about 7-8 dragons plus 8-12 balloons, and level 5 balloons in the CC (our top player is a mid-TH8, so none of us has max balloons).
Against a weaker opponent (i.e., only slightly stronger than I am, like my early-TH8 taking on a mid-TH8, or my mid-TH7 taking on a maxed TH7), I might use one less dragon, so like 6-7 dragons, 12-16 balloons.
Against a really weak opponent (i.e., about as strong as I am), I use 5-6 dragons, 8-16 balloons, and 10-20 minions.
I'm a big fan of dragons. Yet I've only been attacked with mass dragons twice in war, once on my TH8, once on my TH7. Both times I prevented the 3rd star. Base layout really does make a difference. (The TH7 could have been 3-starred, but the attacker dropped the dragons in two groups of 5, and both groups split up and circled the base in opposite directions, so it was like shooting fish in a barrel.)
When I do see dragons used against me in war, what I see a lot of is players that use a random hodgepodge of troops, like 5 dragons, plus 16 hogs, 10 archers, 10 barbarians. Yeah, that was a 1 star attack.Or check this one out: 2 barbarians, 30 archers, 16 giants, 3 WB's, 2 dragons, 6 minions, 5 wizards, and 4 hogs from CC.
Weird, I'm getting all the benefits of dragons, and almost none of the drawbacks.
I both agree and disagree with this last statement. "On average", I agree that dragons need neither a nerf nor a buff. That's because they are both insanely OP (as one person recently titled their thread) and basically useless. A TH7 can 3-star a TH8 with dragons, while a TH10 would have trouble getting 2 stars against a TH9. So that's where I disagree: it's not that dragons need a nerf or a buff in general. It's that their stats are too close together as they level up. Level 1 needs a nerf, and level 4 needs a buff.
But I doubt that Supercell will do much to change dragons, other than maybe release a level 5 at some point. If they do release a level 5, I hope they at least give level 4 to TH9.
Your thoughts have merit xitra. I think the perspective changes as guys move up so we might see things a little different, both correct for our level.
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And I am sick and tired of high level clans only attacking with high level armies. Just quit. The dragons have already been nerfed and they don't need to be nerfed again! I was blocking drag attacks a lot when I was low leveled at th7. I have been attacked by max dragons a lot in war at th9 currently and yet.. Non of them are able to get anything more than a star.
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