On the topic of wars: mixed messages

[fredrik]

I'm really getting annoyed with the hero issue. Supercell - you are by the way doing an awesome job creating an awesome game - but you sending mixed messages about warring. On the one hand you are incentivising people/clans to war a lot more. On the OTHER hand, this is reality: heroes on offence is THE single most decisive factor when it comes to success at the moment. And we can't both have year-long upgrade times and war full time.

It is dumb and - I'm going to say it - greedy. We all know how much SC is making per day. By not allowing upgrading heroes to be used you are creating a hell of a lot of frustration, unnecessary clan management and players thinking "can and should I war with my queen down...". It's focus in the WRONG place, on the WRONG things!

And as a leaded, do I say "yes upgrade your heroes!" but do worse in war... Or do I say "no, don't waste time upgrading" which will set us behind long term? It's dumb and boring decision making with no good answers.

And finally, from a profit perspective. Yes - you might lose out in people gemming hero TIME. But people will still want higher level heroes. And in creating a FUN and UNCOMPLICATED game with easy leader administration, you will attract EVEN MORE players, which of course, in turn is the real profit. You are where you are today because essentially, you have created a FUN game.

Think about it and please make heroes available for war during upgrades. It was such a letdown that leaks on that particular topic turned out to be untrue.

Fred

[Bighundy]

1. Learn to war without your heroes
2. Supercell wants you to gem heroes

/ thread

[fredrik]

1. Learn to war without your heroes
2. Supercell wants you to gem heroes

/ thread

Thank you for your input, I like to discuss the topic. I am less impressed with your snide attitude.

1. I am indeed warring without heroes! I don't know what bases you are facing, but I am facing maxed bases every war. I have 2-starred countless maxed bases and occasionally 3-starred maxed bases. But at the highest level, having a hero down can lead to 49% now and then. This is particularly true when it comes to people with level 25-30 heroes. And a few stars (2-stars becoming 1-stars) can really make a big difference in tight high level wars. So it is indeed an issue and you can't simply learn to compensate for a huge loss of attack strength (BK or AQ). That's like saying "learn to drive with three wheels".

2. I realize SC wants us to gem heroes. They want that because it generates profit. What I am trying to tell SC is that they are creating an un-fun experience for high level clans, where so much revolves around "Should I or shouldn't I upgrade my heroes?". I am trying to say that by making upgrading heroes available for war the game becomes more fun and focus in more in the RIGHT things, which will make the game more attractive, and in the end produce a larget profit. Being a fun game is, after all, what has made Clash of Clans such a huge success.

[Musashi69]

Thank you for your input, I like to discuss the topic. I am less impressed with your snide attitude.

1. I am indeed warring without heroes! I don't know what bases you are facing, but I am facing maxed bases every war. I have 2-starred countless maxed bases and occasionally 3-starred maxed bases. But at the highest level, having a hero down can lead to 49% now and then. This is particularly true when it comes to people with level 25-30 heroes. And a few stars (2-stars becoming 1-stars) can really make a big difference in tight high level wars. So it is indeed an issue and you can't simply learn to compensate for a huge loss of attack strength (BK or AQ). That's like saying "learn to drive with three wheels".

2. I realize SC wants us to gem heroes. They want that because it generates profit. What I am trying to tell SC is that they are creating an un-fun experience for high level clans, where so much revolves around "Should I or shouldn't I upgrade my heroes?". I am trying to say that by making upgrading heroes available for war the game becomes more fun and focus in more in the RIGHT things, which will make the game more attractive, and in the end produce a larget profit. Being a fun game is, after all, what has made Clash of Clans such a huge success.

hhmmm... i wanna see maxed bases 3starred with one or no heroes.... i must be doing something wrong...

[fredrik]

No Im sorry, I expressed myself poorly. Having 1 hero I pull out narrow 2-stars, like 53 % or something like that. With both heroes and amazingly lucky pathing I get a 3-star like once every two months.

What do you think about the original post?

[Maukkis]

I agree with fredrik... and if it's impossible for SC to make them available during upgrades (I understand how much money they are getting because of people gemming their heroes), at least make the upgrade time 6/6½ days so those who war only once a week can time their upgrades between wars.

[Drewbiedoo]

They will implement it on the clash anniversary update don't worry man, it will be coming soon

[Tsakoug]

At least with this new update people that are upgrading their heroes can opt out without the trouble of leaving the clan before search or getting kicked and reinvited back

[fredrik]

I agree with fredrik... and if it's impossible for SC to make them available during upgrades (I understand how much money they are getting because of people gemming their heroes), at least make the upgrade time 6/6½ days so those who war only once a week can time their upgrades between wars.

That is one change that well could be implemented, one that would improve things a lot (in absense of upgrading heroes being available).

[Gulyas1]

I'm sorry I don't think the game should be changed because your finding it difficult, that's the choice with hero's you put them down you don't get to use them. It's the same that everyone else has done and the same that's everyone should carry on doing.

I put my queen down for 8 weeks, and I wanted her for one war so I gemmed her with a few days left, that's the choice I make, if you want Insta upgrades then pay for them, you don't want to pay you should wait.