Why the players go Off the clan after WAR Started? Put an End to it

[rwelshjr]

PLEASE ADD THIS SUPERCELL!
I can't stand these rats leaving during war.
They shouldn't be able to do it. And when they don't attack
note it in their profile, so everyone can see it's a "betrayer":
No one will accept him, so he / she hasn't a chance to betray again!

Just curious, do you think YOU have any responsibility to protect your own self here?

Also, you sound like you have a magic wand. Where did you get it?

[Mediator]

Just curious, do you think YOU have any responsibility to protect your own self here?

Also, you sound like you have a magic wand. Where did you get it?

Just curious, do you think you are a genius?
Also, you sound like you have taken too many drugs today. lol.

[rwelshjr]

Just curious, do you think you are a genius?
Also, you sound like you have taken too many drugs today. ♥♥♥♥.

In other words you have no good answer to my questions and are mad that they are good and correct points.

I'm not a genius. But I am also not the one crybabying that I can't handle hoppers and wanting someone else to solve my problems for me.

What does ♥♥♥♥ mean? I don't know that one. (not being a genius I can't be expected to right?)

[buntingan]

I hope your point is not that I should pull out my magic wand and change reality for you. I have no such wand.

Ha? reality magic wand, point is stop giving the same line, "ruled out or negative stat" no offense here. SC refreshes its thought from time to time and maybe will consider coming up with something to address the issue with some hoppers.

[rwelshjr]

Ha? reality magic wand, point is stop giving the same line, "ruled out or negative stat" no offense here. SC refreshes its thought from time to time and maybe will consider coming up with something to address the issue with some hoppers.

He really was trying to tell you something important when he provided for you to be aware of the reasons why SC was never going to change their mind about this. The magic wand reference was because that's pretty much what it would take. You are mad because you can't get your way so you are taking it out on the messengers.

As far as who should be addressing the issue with the hoppers. I will ask again whether you think you yourself have any responsibility to protect yourself from them. I know its a hard question and I don't ask it to flame or anything. if you put your temper aside and look at it objectively you will see in there a very good point.

[buntingan]

He really was trying to tell you something important when he provided for you to be aware of the reasons why SC was never going to change their mind about this. The magic wand reference was because that's pretty much what it would take. You are mad because you can't get your way so you are taking it out on the messengers.

As far as who should be addressing the issue with the hoppers. I will ask again whether you think you yourself have any responsibility to protect yourself from them. I know its a hard question and I don't ask it to flame or anything. if you put your temper aside and look at it objectively you will see in there a very good point.

Im not mad I just like to have an exchange of views or thought since this is a forum. I have a cool temper, Im just not passive like most ofyou and your so called messenger memorizing the "READ THIS" and zapping the ruled out concept without being more creative by giving tweaks to the idea and let the threads grow. The longer the thread the better for SC people when they develop future updates. The ruled out and READ THIS is a thread killer by the way. No offense to anyone.

PS. I forgot your responsibility question, if giving thoughts and exchanging views is being responsible so be it.

[rwelshjr]

Im not mad I just like to have an exchange of views or thought since this is a forum. I have a cool temper, Im just not passive like most ofyou and your so called messenger memorizing the "READ THIS" and zapping the ruled out concept without being more creative by giving tweaks to the idea and let the threads grow. The longer the thread the better for SC people when they develop future updates. The ruled out and READ THIS is a thread killer by the way. No offense to anyone.

PS. I forgot your responsibility question, if giving thoughts and exchanging views is being responsible so be it.

Well then its also fair to suggest that the responsibility to handle hoppers is the player and no one else. certainly not SC.

As far as the "READ THIS" thing....yeah. That was written by SC and it basically says they are no longer paying attention to this stuff. If they do notice that you said something they intend to delete it. Take all your 'express my thoughts and views' stuff anywhere you want it but that is still the attitude of your target audience. If every one of us here on the forum applauds your wisdom and supports your ideas they will still delete them. So what is your point again?


Here then are some thoughts and views.

This shows why the idea presented by this thread is poorly thought out. It gives a very accurate depiction of how it would play out in real life.

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
or
12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

This speaks to what a person can do about it.

The number of wars won is not an indication of war activity or quality unless you are talking about clans with 100+ wins. Some clans are new or only war once every week or two. A 12 win clan with zero losses is likely better and more dedicated to it than a 70 win clan with 40 losses. Just like SC WILL NOT add a negative statistic to a players profile they don't include the war losses a clan has. It's bad for business.

None of that matters though. Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players don't want in your clan didn't want to be in your clan. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (kick/invite)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

And my own thought and view is that the guy that is crying for 'someone else' to do something about problems hoppers while they lack the will to take the steps themselves is their own problem. Express all the thoughts and ideas you want but maybe taking a little action would accomplish more.

[buntingan]

He really was trying to tell you something important when he provided for you to be aware of the reasons why SC was never going to change their mind about this. The magic wand reference was because that's pretty much what it would take. You are mad because you can't get your way so you are taking it out on the messengers.

As far as who should be addressing the issue with the hoppers. I will ask again whether you think you yourself have any responsibility to protect yourself from them. I know its a hard question and I don't ask it to flame or anything. if you put your temper aside and look at it objectively you will see in there a very good point.

Well then its also fair to suggest that the responsibility to handle hoppers is the player and no one else. certainly not SC.

As far as the "READ THIS" thing....yeah. That was written by SC and it basically says they are no longer paying attention to this stuff. If they do notice that you said something they intend to delete it. Take all your 'express my thoughts and views' stuff anywhere you want it but that is still the attitude of your target audience. If every one of us here on the forum applauds your wisdom and supports your ideas they will still delete them. So what is your point again?


Here then are some thoughts and views.

This shows why the idea presented by this thread is poorly thought out. It gives a very accurate depiction of how it would play out in real life.




This speaks to what a person can do about it.



And my own thought and view is that the guy that is crying for 'someone else' to do something about problems hoppers while they lack the will to take the steps themselves is their own problem. Express all the thoughts and ideas you want but maybe taking a little action would accomplish more.

Your implying that giving thoughts and exchanging views in this forum is pointless particularly if its ruled out since SC will just delete it anyway. It will be out of topic to continue, I would just say you need to take a break responding to thread which you perceive as ruled out since you can no longer contribute to enhance the idea and giving it a chance to be pick up by somebody and enhance it further. Your post is more like of a thread killer shutting the idea as it is pointless on your own thoughts. Sharing your strategies is worthed and good alternatives but would not satisfy improving the idea as propose by the thread setter. This is out of topic by the way and most likely be deleted, but I would also want to hear from the mods about your pointless thoughts.

[daz258]

It's really annoying when it happens, but forcing players to stay as others said will likely enrage them to force your hand into kicking.

I invite players that leave during the war if they are clan less, sometimes they come in attack and leave again. It still helps.

[rwelshjr]

Your implying that giving thoughts and exchanging views in this forum is pointless particularly if its ruled out since SC will just delete it anyway. It will be out of topic to continue, I would just say you need to take a break responding to thread which you perceive as ruled out since you can no longer contribute to enhance the idea and giving it a chance to be pick up by somebody and enhance it further. Your post is more like of a thread killer shutting the idea as it is pointless on your own thoughts. Sharing your strategies is worthed and good alternatives but would not satisfy improving the idea as propose by the thread setter. This is out of topic by the way and most likely be deleted, but I would also want to hear from the mods about your pointless thoughts.

This is why your have been so off in your approach. You think I am perceiving or deciding something. I am simply telling you. Yes, is a thread killer. SC meant it to be exactly that. What I am adding is the most useful input that could possibly be getting put here.

You think you have something useful to add but what you are really doing is just repeating the same old stuff SC has already heard many times, considered it, passed on it, and has now taken to saying they don't want to hear it any more. Given that being the situation the thread should be killed. Its just taking up bandwidth from the guys that do have something new and useful to suggest. Its why SC created the sticky's and posted that list.

The forum does get cluttered with a lot of whining from kids that can't handle their own challenges and want someone else to do it for them. No matter how you want to phrase it, that is what we have here so in those cases thread killing is a good thing.