Way too many clan jumpers

[Bluto152]

If this isnt your post, and you arent having any problems, then where on earth do you get the information about any problem in the first place? How can you comment on the problem or the solution if you are familiar with neither? How do you know what established clans do if you dont even try to join them? (Not rhetorical, you keep speaking about an 'issue' you claim to not have faced and I want to know why you think what you say has any validity or accuracy whatsoever)

This is seriously getting borderline insane. MY CLAN DOESNT HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO THE THINGS ALL THE "DEAL WITH IT" PEOPLE SUGGEST. That doesn't mean it's not a problem im aware of. It's why we're always on invite. BUT WE'RE NOT RECRUITING

[Bluto152]

Read please. I said that any fix on this matter by SC would only make things worse. Also before discussing fixes you must clearly determine the problem which also hasnt been done. If people suggest fixes that cause cause problems then people would say so, every 'fix' fits that bill at the moment, and if you were to suggest one that doesnt then you still have to go on to state why its necessary.

And I said you're presumptuous to know what SC would do to fix it. Do we need to retread the entire argument?

Sorry but the problem has been identified to my satisfaction. Hoppers spam clans forcing them to stay on invite preventing honest new players from finding good clans. WHATS CONFUSING?

[rwelshjr]

THE ONLY REAL "SUGGESTION" I'VE MADE ON THIS ENTIRE FRACKING THREAD IS THAT PEOPLE DISCUSS FIXES AND NOT CASTIGATE THOSE THAT DO. You people are unbelievable. Is this a cult?<rhetorical

Try this ... imagine you have a problem. Now discuss with others what your problem is and try to fix it. Then get shouted down by 80 people telling you that the fix (you didn't really suggest) is unworkable and you should get over it. Am I going crazy?

But you did argue for the feature. Have you lost sight of your own words? (and I am growing weary of pasting them forward every time you claim you did not say something) You have several time had the 'Yeah I typed that but I was not saying it' response (your thing about rhetorical questions or points or whatever you want to call them)

And so you were saying you were asking for discussion but then when you got it you got mad. Did you mean you only wanted discussion that agreed with you?

[Bluto152]

But you did argue for the feature. Have you lost sight of your own words? (and I am growing weary of pasting them forward every time you claim you did not say something) You have several time had the 'Yeah I typed that but I was not saying it' response (your thing about rhetorical questions or points or whatever you want to call them)

And so you were saying you were asking for discussion but then when you got it you got mad. Did you mean you only wanted discussion that agreed with you?

You are obtuse. That's fine. We all have our flaws.

The problem is we're not discussing the actual problem, we're discussing why we shouldn't even discuss the problem. If that's not obvious to you, I'm not sure how else to make it clear

[Gama321]

This is seriously getting borderline insane. MY CLAN DOESNT HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO THE THINGS ALL THE "DEAL WITH IT" PEOPLE SUGGEST. That doesn't mean it's not a problem im aware of. It's why we're always on invite. BUT WE'RE NOT RECRUITING

So if doing what people suggest solves the 'problem' why is there a need to implement an update that would only make it worse for everyone? (what all 'solutions' suggested so far would do). And yes, it does mean you are not aware of it, all you have heard are the cries of people who suggest solutions that would actually be of detriment to the people suggesting them, not really a credible stance to go and adopt as your own.
Just because your clan isnt recruiting it doesnt mean that others arent, you make it sound like you need networking to join which is just ridiculous. I am confident I could go to the clan talk subforum and look at the most viewed/replied to clan threads and just join whichever one i meet the requirements to if they are recruiting. Some of them require that you post on their thread first but its not like that is particularly difficult right?

[NeoXTD]

maybe make it so the leaders can set "rules" and if the clan member just joins the leader might have made them donate 50 troops before receiving. And if it is one of those xp clans then there would be no "rules"

[rwelshjr]

Sorry but the problem has been identified to my satisfaction. Hoppers spam clans forcing them to stay on invite preventing honest new players from finding good clans. WHATS CONFUSING?

You are obtuse. That's fine. We all have our flaws.

The problem is we're not discussing the actual problem, we're discussing why we shouldn't even discuss the problem. If that's not obvious to you, I'm not sure how else to make it clear

You are mistaking disagreement with you for not understanding you. Your statements are indeed clear and folks are understanding them. But the subsequent discussion was myself and others saying they did not agree with you that it is a problem. You have several people here saying that hoppers are not a problem to deal with and that honest new players are not having trouble finding new clans.

Note that my solution involved them being vetted and kicked if they did not pass. That means honest good players will pass the vetting and the bad ones do not. Very simple actually, that's why most are doing this.

[Gama321]

And I said you're presumptuous to know what SC would do to fix it. Do we need to retread the entire argument?

Sorry but the problem has been identified to my satisfaction. Hoppers spam clans forcing them to stay on invite preventing honest new players from finding good clans. WHATS CONFUSING?

It was based on my knowledge of the problem. As i had already stated any fix by nature would be detrimental. Of course if its something absolutely mind-blowing I could be wrong but I dont think there is.
Also this thread isnt about the spam bots but about people joining and leaving after war starts, again, read. And secondly there is nothing wrong with being invite only, it makes recruiting slightly harder but anyone who would actually want to join would still join, it actually filters out the hoppers and solves the problem. What you have described as a negative consequence is actually the solution that the OP was looking for.

[Bluto152]

So if doing what people suggest solves the 'problem' why is there a need to implement an update that would only make it worse for everyone? (what all 'solutions' suggested so far would do). And yes, it does mean you are not aware of it, all you have heard are the cries of people who suggest solutions that would actually be of detriment to the people suggesting them, not really a credible stance to go and adopt as your own.
Just because your clan isnt recruiting it doesnt mean that others arent, you make it sound like you need networking to join which is just ridiculous. I am confident I could go to the clan talk subforum and look at the most viewed/replied to clan threads and just join whichever one i meet the requirements to if they are recruiting. Some of them require that you post on their thread first but its not like that is particularly difficult right?

MAYBE all solutions suggested so far cause more problems than they're worth. MAYBE. But if they do then why not put our thinking caps on to suggest a better solution? You people are acting like SC has some trigger button ready to be pulled on any suggestion. They're smart people. They can figure out good fixes from bad fixes and avoid the latter.

[Bluto152]

You are mistaking disagreement with you for not understanding you. Your statements are indeed clear and folks are understanding them. But the subsequent discussion was myself and others saying they did not agree with you that it is a problem. You have several people here saying that hoppers are not a problem to deal with and that honest new players are not having trouble finding new clans.

Note that my solution involved them being vetted and kicked if they did not pass. That means honest good players will pass the vetting and the bad ones do not. Very simple actually, that's why most are doing this.

So be it. You don't agree that it's an issue. I think it might be. But when I came upon the thread, that's not the responses I saw, hence my post that extracted the novel from you. Why not just voice your disagreement and move along instead of monopolizing the thread with nonsensical expository on how you would recruit a clan? Nobody asked you.