Upgrading walls with elixir

[iceageg]

''Please respond and tell we why''

He doesn't need to. There are literally thousands of pages of explanation on this topic. Searching for 2 seconds will give you enough reading to keep you busy for several days. No need to rehash it all again here.

[Goobers]

I have not heard a single person saying: ''YES! They made walls upgradeable at level 8 instead of level 6.''
The level of my frustation because of this is through the roof. I do know the reason why they did this but the change that they made was one of the worst possible solutions, in my opinion. Again, I have not heard anyone complain about being able pay walls with elixir, before or after the winter update. The way it was before was perfect.

If a player has too high level walls, i just try to get the resources outside of the walls, or I click ''next''. Simple. As. That.
Many people do not upgrade their walls to their maximum level anyway.

If changing it back is still a concerning choice for some reason, there are some things that Supercell can do to counter-balance it while still bringing the level 6 (7 is fine as well) elixir wall upgrades back:

1: Decrease wall hit points
2: Make ground troops stronger
3: Make walls more expensive

Number one is probably the most logical one, number 2 and 3 can be quite complex. Or of course you dont need to bring any of these three changes at all.

You could also make it that upgrading level x-wall with elixir is only available at a specific town hall level. Town hall 8+ would probably be the best one. (x= maybe 6 or 7)

If you don't want Supercell to change the walls back the way they were before please respond and tell me why.
All in favor who wants the lvl 6 wall elixir upgrade back say 'I'

Do you actually know why it got a revert? You state early in this post that you know, but then proceed to mention several points that had nothing to do with why it was reverted, and no points that are close to hitting the actual reason.

[ironagedave]

just not going to happen, should never have been experimented with in the first place imo

[Ashtagger]

''Please respond and tell we why''

Level 6 walls were meant to be upgraded by gold and It should stay like that.
As soon as elixir walls were introduced, upgrading wallls became too easy and elixir disappeared from the loot.

Everyone used their last bit of elixir in walls before logging off therefore left with only a little amount of loot-able elixir.

As a result, elixir disappeared from the loot and the economy of the game was disturbed, so they took it back.

And that is the reason why it shouldn't be added back.

[Goobers]

thanks for responding iceageg. How did the change nearly kill the game? You never explained that.

Elixir and gold have very different values in this game, despite the notion that the even collector output, league bonuses, and war loots for the two make them seem equivalent. Without elixir, players cannot build armies/spells and raid. This entire game is primarily offensive based. Elixir needs to be plentiful.

When elixir was allowed to upgrade lvl 6-10 walls, it created an elixir drought overnight. This was completely predictable, as there is a far less demanding elixir requirement for upgrades compared to gold in this game. Players at every TH lvl get their elixir upgrades taken care of first, so that their offense is up to par with other players at that TH lvl. Once those are taken care of, elixir is only worth as much as the troops/spells needed to farm/raid, which are minimal amounts when compared to elixir upgrades. This caused all players to dump every last bit of that unneeded elixir into walls.

Suddenly we go from a game where elixir is plentiful, and holds very little value to any bases that are no longer a brand new TH, to a game where elixir is nowhere to be found. This caused players to have to resort to hitting only dead bases, as they naturally do not spend their elixir. Dead bases quickly "vanished" due to a combination of SC decommissioning them from the queue and the increased focus on active players attacking them. Grueling amounts of Nexting was required by TH9/10s (even reports from some TH8s) to find bases that would even recoup the costs of their armies used. This forced players to have to use the cheapest possible armies and no spells to hit bases, as using storage raiding armies was useless when nobody had loot in their storages. The only way higher level players could farm was by TH sniping and getting 50% 1-stars up in Masters+, and the ramped up encouragement to TH snipe took the few bases that did have decent storage loots out of the queue. Loot was god awful for anyone TH9/10.

Now I know this sounds elaborate and dismal on a long-term scale, but keep in mind that all these things happened within the first week. Then for 3 months the game was simply unplayable. Many people (including me) stopped raiding or even stopped playing altogether (I actually had to quit my clan of 10 months b/c I couldn't afford to fund clan wars/attack anymore).

This description of the terrible economy can be found in many threads that were created before and after that September update, so you're welcome for me taking the time to repeat it here for you.

Now regarding the way it is now: it's still not good, it doesn't solve the problem for TH10s, but Supercell successfully did a lazy band-aid fix that restored farming for TH8s and TH9s, while TH10s are in the minority of players so screw em I guess.

This feature could very easily be brought back to all levels of walls (not just lvl 6+), but requires a reforming of the system for which elixir for walls are allowed, and not simply chopping off a specific level of wall when more people at higher TH levels complain about poor loot.

[Goobers]

Level 6 walls were meant to be upgraded by gold and It should stay like that.
As soon as elixir walls were introduced, upgrading wallls became too easy and elixir disappeared from the loot.

Everyone used their last bit of elixir in walls before logging off therefore left with only a little amount of loot-able elixir.

As a result, elixir disappeared from the loot and the economy of the game was disturbed, so they took it back.

And that is the reason why it shouldn't be added back.

Feel free to continue explaining why SC chose to keep it for upgrading lvl 9-11 walls. You seem to post in these constantly saying that it's good now, and then only explain why lvl 7-8 walls were a problem, conveniently leaving out how it's able to be upgraded with elixir in the exact same manner that lvl 7-8 walls were, which continue to cause problems at TH10 in the same way that the first release caused problems for TH9/10s.

[mrtommyvu]

Feel free to continue explaining why SC chose to keep it for upgrading lvl 9-11 walls. You seem to post in these constantly saying that it's good now, and then only explain why lvl 7-8 walls were a problem, conveniently leaving out how it's able to be upgraded with elixir in the exact same manner that lvl 7-8 walls were, which continue to cause problems at TH10 in the same way that the first release caused problems for TH9/10s.

Goobers I didn't get a solid explanation from people until now. Thank you very much!
Ps. Isn't there a shortage of gold as well?

[Ashtagger]

Feel free to continue explaining why SC chose to keep it for upgrading lvl 9-11 walls. You seem to post in these constantly saying that it's good now, and then only explain why lvl 7-8 walls were a problem, conveniently leaving out how it's able to be upgraded with elixir in the exact same manner that lvl 7-8 walls were, which continue to cause problems at TH10 in the same way that the first release caused problems for TH9/10s.

As far as I think, SC should add a thread containing all the reasons for every ruled out idea and every step taken just like a sticky so everyone could have one place to read it. We are not supercell's spokespersons.

And as iceageg said, this has been talked about a lot and its pointless to write the story about elixir walls for every new member that comes complaining about elixir walls being taken away.It will just waste the reader's and writer's time.

Coming back to my point, SC should have a sticky or a special thread containing all such reasons about steps taken by it. At least, the popular ones should have an "Easy to reach" post containing reasons and clauses like :

*Elixir Walls.
*Heroes usable while upgrading in Wars.
*War opt in/opt out button.

This will help especially the new members and probably make them think before posting/complaining.
This would reduce clutter on the forums to at least some extent.

Unless we have "Easy to reach" and "Official" reasons posted by SC, all players will tend to have their own reasons for the different actions of SC. This will create nothing but arguments.

[DoctorNinja]

The biggest it was changed back was not because of it bein too powerful (Since you are trying to nerf it) but it was ruining the economy.

[Crystalis]

In other words, you want to make everyone who legitimately (yes, I consider farming it with elixir illegitimately) farmed walls up to level seven and above (75% of their income) consider breaking their iPad.