Should I upgrade all walls before I go to TH9?

[Godzilla86]

I can pretty much guarantee you that it's TH9s telling you to max your walls. They will be feasting off your overflowing elixir while they make faster progress on their walls than you can.

Anyone who tells you to stay back and max your walls at TH8 either has no clue what they're talking about or does not have your best interest in mind.

Every one million elixir you let go to waste (whether due to raiding with overflowing storages or getting hit for 270-300k in raids b/c you have no elixir outlet) is a lost lego wall piece. Figure out how many skull walls you have to do, and to get a rough estimate of the legos you're missing out on (not to mention general TH9 progression that still needs lots of elixir), divide that number of walls by 2, 2.5 to be conservative. That's how many lego walls you are simply wasting as far as progression goes.

Your gold/elixir farming dropoff will be around 15% less per hour as a TH9 than it is currently as a TH8. That is nothing compared to you having an entire 1 of your 2 resources going to waste every raid, not to mention the massive DE farming boost that you can accomplish as a TH9.

I haven't even bothered to read any of the comments here, but I can promise you that 80-85% of them are just terrible, awful advice. Probably mostly one-liners that parrot the "max it or you'll regret it" or "better to get it done at TH8 cuz TH9 is harder" drivel that they can't back up with one bit of their own analysis.

Go to TH9, get your offense on par with other TH9s, and start farming the hell out of the other TH8s who are foolishly refusing to move up early.

Why would we do that?
If he goes to TH9 we can toy him around for both his gold as his lix

Especially with his premmie walls (no offense).
Level 6 giants + wb's will flatten his base in less than a minute.

Think before you write something down, we are actually giving the right advice while you aren't

[Goobers]

Worst of all, I got a TH8 in my clan who wanted to max his walls before upgrading. For 5 days he had:

1) max storages. 6M of each and tons of dark
2) max collectors and mines. CC full of resources
3) all idle builders
4) can't farm at all because everything is full

Some would say that he could have timed his TH9 upgrade better. But he worked on his defs too long. He should have started his walls upgrade sooner with an idle builder.

5 days farm lost, that is for him between 20-30M gold and elixir lost. Quite a waste.

Yeah, and it sucks b/c if the right players who help him understand exactly how wasteful his approach is, he'd probably listen and have progressed earlier. But we're stuck with these drones flocking into these threads when they want actual guidance and they're either just farting out the same one-liners they've heard through 5 degrees of players, where the original one probably had that approach over a year ago when it was applicable, or they know all too well that they should be heading to TH9, but are just giving bad advice on purpose b/c it happens to benefit them for that player to stay b/c of the terrible elixir for walls system Supercell has in place currently.

[IllAdvised]

So, as a TH8 I am close to completion of all buildings. I have 2 tesla’s, 4 archers towers, 3 elixircollectors and some traps left to upgrade. Now I am wondering what I should do. I have two options:

1. stay th8 a bit longer and max my walls
2. go to th9.

As for research, I’ve got pretty much all DE researches left + the 6kk pekka research.

I’ve made a poll with two options. If you don’t advise one of the two options, then please comment and don’t vote.

Tnxs for your help!

Go to 9! I'm pretty much in the same boat. Getting close to max th8, still have DE research left to do and 98 more walls to get to level8. I'll be getting defenses maxed, doing as many walls as possible and then going to 9. To me it doesn't make sense to waste resources letting storages overflow. You can continue farming for walls at th9 and will have plenty of upgrades to put your elixir and DE into.

The economy has changed and we must adapt! I think people put too much weight into the "MAX MAX MAX" mantra. Since the winter update elixir is now more plentiful at TH8 and DE is also more plentiful. There is more research to do at TH8 than there is building to do. If you wait to finish all research and all walls you will just have idle builders and give up your elixir and DE to TH9s. Instead, you can go to TH9 and be the one doing the taking.

TH9 is the perfect place to hunker down and really max everything out. excess elixir and gold can go into walls. There are tons of hero levels to upgrade to put your DE into. While doing walls and heros at TH9 there is plenty of time to catch up on buildings and research that was skipped at th8.

[Belvik]

There are a group of people that are always gonna say max walls. There is another group that just says move on when you're happy with how your base is at the current TH level. It's a game, play how you want. I went to TH10 with max Th9 defenses and level 6 walls. Never been 100% as a TH10, don't copy the same crappy layouts off the internet that a large population of clashers use and you should be ok.

[LordDragon]

Generally speaking it would be smarter to get level 8 walls before going th9, but if all of your buildings are maxed and there are no more troop upgrades then you are just wasting your time.

Also just getting the Archer queen really opens up your options for farming dark elixer because you can better handle the tougher bases. Yes you get the th9 loot penalty, but I think it's a small price to pay to get the archer queen. Xbows are also nice for defense.

Walls are very very important, but you have to be realistic. Keep your troop upgrades spinning at all costs, it's the biggest time bottleneck you'll have.

[Goobers]

Why would we do that?
If he goes to TH9 we can toy him around for both his gold as his lix

Especially with his premmie walls (no offense).
Level 6 giants + wb's will flatten his base in less than a minute.

Think before you write something down, we are actually giving the right advice while you aren't

Haha yep, b/c once he sets up his TH9 base layout he definitely won't be just getting TH snipes for the rest of his time there . He'll have the potential to offer up 350k/350k of both instead of 300k/300k as a TH8, and every raid will almost certainly take that much from him . 19/20 attacks on his base WON'T be basic TH snipes.

[SamClash]

Tnxs for all the reply’s. I won’t quote to keep the post short.

I think I’ll go to TH9 as soon as my pekka research is on, because I still can use quite some gold upgrades first. By the time my elixir collectors are full I’ll be well up my way with my upgrades, so that should be ok!

The 40k DE for the AQ is a good advice, I’ll keep that in mind. Of course the gold for a X-Bow comes in handy too!

Tnxs for all the info & feedback!

Great news moving up is the way forward.

A tip I would give though would be to take up 62.5 k DE as it means you can get your AQ moving up to level 2 as soon as you level (level 1 upgrade is instant).

I am taking up,
6 mil gold (2 xbows started straight away)
6 mil elix + full collectors (lab and spell factor going straight away + my first 2 legos, yay no more wasted elix)
80 k elix AQ straight away going to level 2.

[Goobers]

There are a group of people that are always gonna say max walls. There is another group that just says move on when you're happy with how your base is at the current TH level. It's a game, play how you want. I went to TH10 with max Th9 defenses and level 6 walls. Never been 100% as a TH10, don't copy the same crappy layouts off the internet that a large population of clashers use and you should be ok.

That is true, he should progress how he wants.

But if he wants to know which one leads to taking longer with overall base progression as well as wall progression, then it's staying at TH8. If he values progressing those things faster, and wants to avoid resource wastefulness, he needs to head to TH9.

If it's the latter, he more than likely has at least a basic grasp on farming, so that is not a counterargument to this.

Therefore there would literally not be a single valid reason for him to stay back and do walls at TH8. If those are the conditions he is trying to play under (efficient progression), then every post telling him to stay for whatever made-up or exaggerated reason is patently ​bad advice.

[Kirky]

My mini has about 25 skulls, max buildings, BK9 and in the lab I have mins, valks and golem to do, so a similar position to yours.

I'm trying to decide what to do now. I'm getting tempted to go to TH9, because I will be sat on full lix and idle builders doing walls. If I go to TH9 having done no more skulls I would still have a lix sink for 100m lix. Each 500k gold spent at TH9 would open up 4m lix to be spent on walls.

Ultimately it's up to you. Personally I'm not a fan of grinding walls when there are troops to be upgraded at the next level which can be used to squash some bases in war.

[Godzilla86]

Haha yep, b/c once he sets up his TH9 base layout he definitely won't be just getting TH snipes for the rest of his time there . He'll have the potential to offer up 350k/350k of both instead of 300k/300k as a TH8, and every raid will almost certainly take that much from him . 19/20 attacks on his base WON'T be basic TH snipes.

You really haven't got a clue about what you are talking.

My guess is you're pretty much a premmie and want a friend to hide with you behind your IT's?