War matchmaking ( equality widening with time)

[Gama321]

You don't have to agree, but it is still true. If a village was simply scored by TH number like so many complainers suggest it would work like this. In a 2v2 war (for simplicity sake).

TH10
TH5
Total strength 10+5 = 15

versus

TH9
TH9
Total strength 9 + 9 = 18

The two TH9 clan is stronger. In practice they will get 3 stars from the TH5 and 1 maybe 2 stars from the TH10 for a total of 5 stars. The TH10 will steamroll both TH9's and get 6 stars for the win, even though his clan was weaker.

Today, TH number has NOTHING to do with the calculation, but the math is done pretty much the same way none the less. Each village is calculated a value, they are added together and a similar-ish score is found to match up against. This is the #1 potential peril of the often requested opt-out system that is already being exploited by dedicated war clans using boot-reinvite as an opt-out system.

But that isnt necessarily a mismatch for the th9s. The th10 has no room for error while the th9s have three goes (your example is simple, with more people thats what it would be, even if your example only gives them two goes)


But in regards to the OP you seem to be judging the mismatch in terms of walls and heroes, two things that are known to have little weighting. I would imagine you didnt talk about anythijg else because you are potentially higher. There is no point telling people its a mismatch unless you give us everything.

[Crystalis]

But that isnt necessarily a mismatch for the th9s. The th10 has no room for error while the th9s have three goes (your example is simple, with more people thats what it would be, even if your example only gives them two goes)


But in regards to the OP you seem to be judging the mismatch in terms of walls and heroes, two things that are known to have little weighting. I would imagine you didnt talk about anythijg else because you are potentially higher. There is no point telling people its a mismatch unless you give us everything.

It's very clearly a mismatch, based on the incredible number and level of walls and the large difference of hero levels, despite how little weighting they have. And the town hall levels are also a problem.


He just had really bad luck.

[TheRealchrism]

I with the redo the matchmaking. We are waaaaaaya too OP for the opposing clan. We have no TH10's, they have one with TH7 troops.. The TH9's and 8's are about even in count....however, we have stronger defense and troops....we are steamrolling them. Our TH8's are 3 starring their TH9's...how is that fair. I have been on both sides of the OP clan battle. Our last 5 wars we were the sacrificial lambs...but wound up 4-1 out of it. Planning and attack skill is all that saved us on the 4 we won...and they were close. I know that kinda upsets my OP argument...but the matchmaking is a "little" off on both sides. For now we will just take the low...but easy war loot.

[Moneypit]

After 10 mins, cancel search and restart it.

[iceageg]

But that isnt necessarily a mismatch for the th9s. The th10 has no room for error while the th9s have three goes (your example is simple, with more people thats what it would be, even if your example only gives them two goes). . .

True enough, but the math works the same if you do six TH10's with 4 TH5's vs all TH9 for a 10v10 or more 50v50. There are many more factors that go into it. This is simply the foundation of stacking the odds in ones favor by leaving the bottom as sacrificial lambs. Canon fodder so to speak.

[Gama321]

It's very clearly a mismatch, based on the incredible number and level of walls and the large difference of hero levels, despite how little weighting they have. And the town hall levels are also a problem.


He just had really bad luck.

He doesnt give a comprehensive picture so I dont see how you can say that, especially since he is extremely biased as he is trying to prove a point. 5 th difference isnt that bad by any means, and we dont know how developed any of these are either so it many not be as bad as he says.

[Darcechoke86]

How about their bottom 20%? Did you even look at them? If they have maxed TH10's at the top and sorry TH5's at the bottom SC likely considers it an even match if you have all TH9's. A lot of serious war clans do this to stack the odds in their favor. Lots of posts about it in the Clan Wars forum.

You obviously didn't read my entire post. I clearly pointed out the total amount of town hall levels. They have no "sorry th5s" at the bottom. get a clue idiot, before you decide to kiss supercell's ♥♥♥.

[choczombie]

hello, I'm sure you get this a lot but this is of great concern. As I have been made aware of from supercell staff, when searching for wars matchmaking works by searching for the best even matchup in terms of offense and defense. After about 10 minutes if an equal matchup isn't found, the search criteria widens, giving the possibility of a significantly stronger or weaker opening being chosen. As more time goes on, that range widens until an opponent is chosen whether up or down from that equality level. This method of matchmaking has been conveyed to me by supercell staff and I do believe it to be true. This is the major problem I'm sure most of us are facing. Out of our last 20 wars, we have been mismatched significantly 16 times. Take for instance my current war, we are killerzzz187, our opponent has 6 members in their top 10 alone that have both heros maxed, 7 member that have a maxed archer queen and level 35 king. Currently their is only one person in my clan that has a level 40 queen. The top 3 members of the opposing clan have all level 11 walls. I am currently the #2 base in my clan and I only have about 75 level 9 walls, the rest level 8 and only level 20 heros. If you're thinking it evens out down below, it doesn't. The enemy has 37 townhall 10s and 3 th 9s compared to our 32 and 8 with their top th9 having a max queen. Complete mismatch! This had happened to us all too often. Now my intent is not to complain, but suggest that you please stop the widening of the equality search. If an equal clan isn't found, then continue the search as is. Don't widen the equality criteria to create a mismatch. Most people won't mind waiting a few hours for you guys to get it right and give us a somewhat equal opponent. It's much better than waiting an hour just to get a war that is not winnable at all, as is the situation we are in. Please supercell, you're taking the fun out of this game. Keep matchmaking equal! Stop widening the search criteria, it kills morale!

There were massive complaints about the time taken to get any match at all prior to the matchmaking tweak. The solution is to restart the process every 10 mins or so. You won't get as many massively weaker clans showing up, similarly won't get as many massively bigger clans showing up. And if you suck, you'll always lose a matchup with an equal strength opponent.

I'd like to see clans actually get better visibility on how the game assesses their actual strength. The downside is better organised clans use more information/knowledge to their advantage over other clans. But well, rewarding coordination and smarts isn't such a bad thing.

[Darcechoke86]

There were massive complaints about the time taken to get any match at all prior to the matchmaking tweak. The solution is to restart the process every 10 mins or so. You won't get as many massively weaker clans showing up, similarly won't get as many massively bigger clans showing up. And if you suck, you'll always lose a matchup with an equal strength opponent.

I'd like to see clans actually get better visibility on how the game assesses their actual strength. The downside is better organised clans use more information/knowledge to their advantage over other clans. But well, rewarding coordination and smarts isn't such a bad thing.

Sadly, I feel this is the only solution. Cancel after 10 minutes. Thanks for the insight