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    Lol..... Since you're an almighty th9, shouldnt you know by now that it takes quite an army to get all 4 storages? What barbs specialize at is penetrating 1-2 storage at the cheapest cost possible, giving you more elixir per hour than a regular giant/whatever army you usually run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    I do not need a high level player using barbarians.
    In that case why were you using the line "You are not a high level player, I need a high level player to have proof" as a defense mechanism. Now that one comes along you completely change the argument that you have been using for the past week?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    I need a proof that an army BASED on barbarians and archers can destroy a good base as you tell that I do not know to use them.
    Well then why didn't you say that? All you've been saying is that barbarians are horrible in general. Almost every troop is terrible if it is the only troop used. You keep changing your arguments when someone prevents a valid point to which you are unable to refute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    I see no proof in what you posted. You posted your stats. How does it proof that barbarians can destroy my base ?
    You obviously didn't read the whole post, I posted my stats because whenever people presented valid arguments you would say they needed to prove they were a high level player, or they were equal to or better than you. Later in the post I talked about where barbs were useful in an attack and army, and posteed 5 high level attack videos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    The movie you posted show WEAK bases with paper walls ( easy to break ) and/or cheap wizard towers ( so no efficient to defend ) and/or poorly organized bases ( no separation in the base ).
    I dont know what videos you were watching, because the ones I posted were all strong bases, all decently organized, esp a maxed out, well designed TH8 with all skull walls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    Last but not least, your army is not based on barbarians as you use 10 giants, more archers and gobelins than barbarians => So your reply is out of topic.
    Again, you were saying barbarians were horrible in general before. I suspect you are simply changing your argument because you have been proven wrong, you are unable to accept it, so you simply change your statement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zachUVA View Post
    We lie because we have a dofferent opinion? No, we just have a different opinion.
    I see what you did there... Lol

    Anyways on topic: barbs are the cheapest of all troops, time and elixer wise. I agree that if you attack a base with lvl 7 walls or higher and maxed splash they will not do well. The reason that ppl are calling you a troll is because you have brought this up many times, you act very arrogant, and you refuse to awanser posts that make a good point, such as zach's, mendax's and to some degree baconman's. Furthemore there is no point in making these threads. You have made your point, and thats that. If you don't like barbs dont use them. You will not convince others to stop using them because they are good against weeker bases that most of us choose to attack.

    The main reason that ppl call you a troll is because you have brought this up so many times. Sorry for the long post.

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    Barbarians are fine... you just gotta use them in smaller numbers and spread out - both over time and space. I use mine just like mini giants: soak up damage.
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    In that case why were you using the line "You are not a high level player, I need a high level player to have proof" as a defense mechanism. Now that one comes along you completely change the argument that you have been using for the past week?
    You reply to this topic or to topics of,the last week ?

    The fact I changed the argument indicates that the topic is different and so that people who tell it is always the same topic are wrong ? Actually I didn't change the argument. The argument is the same = barbarian bases army suck against as good base. Good player or poor player, what must be good is the base you attack. Then you could proof.


    Well then why didn't you say that? All you've been saying is that barbarians are horrible in general. Almost every troop is terrible if it is the only troop used. You keep changing your arguments when someone prevents a valid point to which you are unable to refute.

    Not is its the only but if it is an archer\barbarians army with a few wb.



    You obviously didn't read the whole post, I posted my stats because whenever people presented valid arguments you would say they needed to prove they were a high level player, or they were equal to or better than you. Later in the post I talked about where barbs were useful in an attack and army, and posteed 5 high level attack videos.
    So presented valid argument ? Nobody.

    The only valid argument is a proof in which I see a BARBARIANS/archers army, you know, the one that expert here tell to be THE best for " FARMING" stealing loots from a base like mine.

    Then I would stop using giants and I would use barbarians. I tried barbarians because these expert told they were good and I always lost when the base was strong.



    I dont know what videos you were watching, because the ones I posted were all strong bases, all decently organized, esp a maxed out, well designed TH8 with all skull walls.
    The 2 first ones. No skull but yellow walls and all the loots in the middle.

    Again, you were saying barbarians were horrible in general before. I suspect you are simply changing your argument because you have been proven wrong, you are unable to accept it, so you simply change your statement
    Barbarians are silly because they attack all instead of attacking the loots or defense like do the giants and gobelins. So they are tricky to use and often end up where you do not want them.

    So they are the worst troop of the 1 tiers.

    And against a strong base, they're are totally useless.

    So they are bad in general AND useless against a good base.
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    So let's sum up my theory

    1) barbarians are totally useless to STEAL LOOTS against a good base*

    2) they can work against a cheap base but they are not better than gobelins to do the job so telling that an army bases on barbarians/archers is the BEST to steal loots is false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post

    The movie you posted show WEAK bases with paper walls ( easy to break ) and/or cheap wizard towers ( so no efficient to defend ) and/or poorly organized bases ( no separation in the base ).
    Every video/pic people post of a successful raid using barbs and other troops you say it's against a weak and poorly designed base.

    I saw your village a few days ago and you're a farmer. Can you post not 1 but at least 6 successful raids using your normal farming army against lvl 7 mortars, lvl 7 wizard towers, crossbows, lvl 8+ walls, and a well design base? You say barbs are weak to get loot against tough bases, so I would like to see what kind of bases you attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    So let's sum up my theory

    1) barbarians are totally useless to STEAL LOOTS against a good base*

    2) they can work against a cheap base but they are not better than gobelins to do the job so telling that an army bases on barbarians/archers is the BEST to steal loots is false.


    *mortar and wizard 6, 2 bows, dark purple walls, loots and defenses separated by walls in the center


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesmog View Post
    And against a strong base, they're are totally useless.

    So they are bad in general AND useless against a good base.

    So, it seems to me that your entire argument is that an army that replaces Dan's ten giants with 50 barbs is completely useless. In some ways, it is worse. After all, giants have more hp, and thus are less affected by splash damage (ironically, this is a reason one might prefer golems to giants). That is a big factor, and might explain why giants are more expensive in both terms of elixir and training time, and should have a slight advantage over barbs. However barbarians do have some advantages, as the mass amount of troops does more damage per second, is not as susecptable to spring traps (see, one advantage of less predictable AI), and will not be picked off by clan castle troops.

    Edit: nice video from Carlito, Dan. Though the dragon may be FLUFFY BUNNY-ING.
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