Suggestion: Revenge - Stalk Target & Improve Availably

[Penguin9990]

So basically be a terrible player, dont have any loot at any time, and you won't get wrecked by revenges constantly?

Genius idea....

So now we have to worry about picking on lower players and higher players, wonderful!

If you thought zapping threads were bad now, imagine easy revenge zapping with impunity. Cant wait for those threads....


wait their turn?

you want each of the 200 to get a push notification the second i go off line. So i have a line of 200 people, and growing, that'll rush to hit that revenge button every time they get the notification.

Every revenge i get wrecks me for all my loot. You want that to be the norm? No one would ever find me in random match making because now my revenge list is 300 deep and they all get push notification the second i go offline!!!

How ow can anyone with a brain think this would be a good idea?! Im sitting here with 50k of de and you want to announce that to 200 people whom hate my guts and would take everything i have? Then next time i attack and log off, you want to announce it again? And again? And again? And again? And again?!?!?

Ok, let's start with the fact that they do have to wait their turn. Only one person can attack you every twelve hours. Then, eventually, since of those 200 will lose sight of you in their defense log, and can no longer revenge attack you. But the push notification may be a bit much. I would maybe remove the Revenge button in the log for people you can't revenge. And you could even remove being online immunity, but only for revenges. I know someone somewhere well hate this idea, but I hate not being able to revenge ever, and not knowing who I can revenge until I try it. This is a serious issue, and I am waiting for a solution

[Zannan]

A message every time someone logs off is a horrible idea, or even gets un shielded.

I break my shield and do a raid session for an hour unless its night (if I waited for my shields to run out, I'd never attack.)

I don't want notifications going around saying you may attack me now.

Plus I usually have lots of loot with all 4 builders busy.

[WarrenJames]

The main idea was to get the revenge feature to work better than it currently does, while trying to be fair. I hold no illusions in that I'm not going to come up with a bad idea. I come up with some good ones, but to state the obvious, no one is perfect. I get the feeling that this is more an issue of revenge being bad in general than anything else. Which means most any idea to improve it will by it's very nature be a bad idea.

The push notice does seem much after rereading the thread today, so possibly scratch that idea; and just do a notice in-game. Would change the original post, but that wouldn't be fair for those that voted. It wouldn't make a notice if the target logged on while shield is up, since it would change from can't attack from shield, to can't attack from being online. Would be silly to make a new notice saying you (still) can't attack, and would go against the ruled out idea of knowing when people logon.

So basically be a terrible player, dont have any loot at any time, and you won't get wrecked by revenges constantly?

Genius idea....

So now we have to worry about picking on lower players and higher players, wonderful!

If you thought zapping threads were bad now, imagine easy revenge zapping with impunity. Cant wait for those threads....


wait their turn?

you want each of the 200 to get a push notification the second i go off line. So i have a line of 200 people, and growing, that'll rush to hit that revenge button every time they get the notification.

Every revenge i get wrecks me for all my loot. You want that to be the norm? No one would ever find me in random match making because now my revenge list is 300 deep and they all get push notification the second i go offline!!!

How ow can anyone with a brain think this would be a good idea?! Im sitting here with 50k of de and you want to announce that to 200 people whom hate my guts and would take everything i have? Then next time i attack and log off, you want to announce it again? And again? And again? And again? And again?!?!?

A bit paranoid there? What makes you think that low level people would do much to you? Some think of revenge as TH sniping back, which for a farming base, it is what is desired anyway. Silly, I know, but it happens. And I wasn't suggesting have no loot. Just not 'too much', which highly depends on your trophy range, and base layout. Some bases can hold more loot before getting attacked than outer bases, out of the merit of just looking hard to break. High level people may not find it worth the time and effort if you build a good base. Plus, attacks happen, expect it. You'll get your Dark Elixir store zapped regardless of if it is a revenge attack or not. But as you said, if it is easier to revenge, it works both ways. Someone seeing a higher TH lvl base may think twice about zapping if they are afraid of a revenge attack that could flatten thier base, so zaps from random attacks may lessen... as they incress in revenge attacks. (damn, what an annoying issue).

Regardless, I am pleased about one thing.. The votes are getting more telling as time goes on. I don't care if my idea gets shot down, as long as I know it gets shot down. I treat these brainstorming things as experiments. Any result, like or dislike, is a good result. If I didn't know this was totally a good idea, I wouldn't be asking people what they thought, now would I? Just try to keep the ad hominem attacks to a minimal. Smart people do come up with bad ideas, and dumb people can think up a smart idea.

[AxionXD]

Ok, let's start with the fact that they do have to wait their turn. Only one person can attack you every twelve hours. Then, eventually, since of those 200 will lose sight of you in their defense log, and can no longer revenge attack you. But the push notification may be a bit much. I would maybe remove the Revenge button in the log for people you can't revenge. And you could even remove being online immunity, but only for revenges. I know someone somewhere well hate this idea, but I hate not being able to revenge ever, and not knowing who I can revenge until I try it. This is a serious issue, and I am waiting for a solution

Why does it matter if they have to wait their turn? Am I also suppose to be forced to ride my 12 hour shield every time? When i decide to go on a raiding cycle, I can attack and break shield every 20 minutes. So every 20 minutes when i put the phone back down, it tells all 300 people that I'm on a list on that I'm available for attack.

I will always be attacking, so that list of 200 will always continue to grow. I don't attack 200 people and call it quits for a month. For every one list drops me from the defense log, I add myself to 5 more. This is a never ending cycle of being on a defense log.

ANOTHER ONE THAT THINKS WE SHOULD LOSE ONLINE IMMUNITY FOR REVENGES?

Is this drive Axion crazy day? I don't understand....

A bit paranoid there?

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you...

What makes you think that low level people would do much to you?

I'm not worried about low level players. I'm in Crystal league and only attack TH9 and TH10s, who if given an easy way to revenge, would DEMOLISH me and retake everything I've earned.

Some think of revenge as TH sniping back, which for a farming base, it is what is desired anyway. Silly, I know, but it happens.

I've been playing for a long time and I have NEVER been TH sniped on a revenge.

And I wasn't suggesting have no loot. Just not 'too much', which highly depends on your trophy range, and base layout. Some bases can hold more loot before getting attacked than outer bases, out of the merit of just looking hard to break. High level people may not find it worth the time and effort if you build a good base.

Not too much loot?

TH9 upgrades average 5 million each.....
DE troop upgrades average 40K each.....
Elixir troop upgrade are upwards of 6 million....

No kidding, TH5 and below don't have to worry about having too much loot, but a TH9-10 cannot avoid it.

Plus, attacks happen, expect it. You'll get your Dark Elixir store zapped regardless of if it is a revenge attack or not. But as you said, if it is easier to revenge, it works both ways.

in a normal raid, you use what you have. Many people that find me in normal raid snipe me.

No one snipes on a revenge! If it happens, it's rare.

Someone seeing a higher TH lvl base may think twice about zapping if they are afraid of a revenge attack that could flatten thier base, so zaps from random attacks may lessen... as they incress in revenge attacks. (damn, what an annoying issue).

You are diverting from your own idea here. We're talking about people revenging you. Why would they be afraid to revenge with a zap if they are revenging, because it is an attack with absolute impunity. You cannot revenge a revenge.

Regardless, I am pleased about one thing.. The votes are getting more telling as time goes on. I don't care if my idea gets shot down, as long as I know it gets shot down. I treat these brainstorming things as experiments. Any result, like or dislike, is a good result. If I didn't know this was totally a good idea, I wouldn't be asking people what they thought, now would I? Just try to keep the ad hominem attacks to a minimal. Smart people do come up with bad ideas, and dumb people can think up a smart idea.

There's been no ad hominem attacks on my end. Questioning the logic of those that support an illogical idea is not an ad hominem attack.

[WarrenJames]

Sorry. The last paragraph with the ad hominem attacks comment was not supposed to be directed at you, it was to people in general, and not supposed to be taken that seriously as well. I'm not sure what the notation is for showing you are finished referring directly to a quote, but I'm not the only person that changes who they are addressing without notice. (and no I'm not hinting you do, nor care right now if you do)

You are really defensive here. Do you have anything to add to making some revenge idea work, instead of doing a line by line aggressive attack of logic with a negative assumption? If I would have known you were going to go so technical on definition and grammar, I would have spent more time properly writing my post you dissected. For example, I know you cannot revenge attack back after a revenge attack. My comment was supposed to refer to people doing a normal attack and zapping you. I rambled and changed subject, it happens. I try not to but mistakes happen, especially when typing on a smartphone on a whim.

I got a question, partly off topic; are you having fun at the Town Hall level that you are at? Because I'm sensing more than a bit of stress here. Personally, at my TH7 stage, I'm LOOKING for people to attack my base (yes, crazy. I know ) I have a base idea I'm wanting to try, loot loss is a relative slap on the wrist, and I want my defence win count to go up, partly for the achievement. If any attack, let alone a revenge attack, stresses you out this much, somehow else seems really wrong here, and it seems like it is with the game itself.