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    As others have mentioned, this idea is getting suggested a lot and I am an advocate of war opt in/out (as my signature suggests). I'm just going to copy some other threads for your information (and to repeat things for a repeated idea).

    From my thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...pt-In-Out-Poll
    Reasons:

    The main reason is because people don't want to kick people and invite them just so they can opt outon war. While that is a solution, it has some consequences, including misunderstandings, drama (omg, you kicked me out so that I wouldn't be in war) and loss of donation statistics.

    Some might argue that if one does not wish to participate in war, one must simply join a clan that does not participate in war. The reason this is not true for many people is that those who care about being able to opt out are more likely to be loyal members, or at least friends with many. Leaving as a group is not a solution either since the group of friends would still be split between warring and not warring. Splitting the group results in the splitting of friends, which lowers the amount of motivations to keep playing CoC. If sister/feeder clans been implemented, that would be a long workwaround that could still be flawed.

    There is another reason that this is suggested, which is that players will still "have a life" outside of CoC. This includes vacations, examinations, business trips, blackouts (+and other force majuere disasters) in the residence of one player which doesn't affect the others physically etc.. Thus, some players would only opt out some times and return to war actively.
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    From thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-option-button
    Hey Guys,

    We've talked A LOT about adding an opt-out feature in Clan Wars and it's not currently in the cards. At this point, we just haven't found the right solution that fits Clash how it should.

    We always try to avoid unnecessary complexity in our feature design and strive for features that work consistently and simply for all players. Some players would be thrilled with an opt-out system, but others would prefer things like opt-in, leader-chooses, variable team sizes, or other solutions. Also, letting players pick-and-choose what components of their clan experience they participate in is not a design philosophy we support. When you're in a clan, you should all be in it together! Even further, implementing a system that can enable undue pressure on players ("Opt out or we'll kick you" or "Give me Crab Claws or you can't come to war with us") falls far short of this mark.

    That being said, we're in favor of adding more control and meaningful direction to Clan Wars. When we look into the next batch of Clan Wars features, that will be the time to reconsider things like opt-out systems, and possibly come up with better solutions that encourage everyone in their Clan to stick together and participate no matter what. We'll see what happens!

    We'll keep tabs on any feedback and ideas you guys come up with for future Clan Wars improvements. Keep the feedback coming.

    Cheers,

    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyromanzer View Post
    Where in the sticky is this listed as ruled out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyromanzer View Post
    This is not ruled out- please read the stickies carefully dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahimi View Post
    Where in the sticky is this listed as ruled out?
    It's not. He's either stirring the pot or just confused. As much as I personally would like it ruled out I don't want misinformation spread about it either. Steve's original message ruling it out of the next patch (as of his posting) and stating that SC preferred to find a way to encourage full clan participation is still the only official reply that I am aware of. I am sure either an opt-out system or something completely the opposite will be in a future patch.

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    Leader abuse would be a significant part of this.
    Not the best idea in the world, i have to admit.
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    No it's not

    Quote Originally Posted by Nyromanzer View Post

    You our seem to be reading something not currently there......try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyromanzer View Post
    Leader abuse would be a significant part of this.
    Not the best idea in the world, i have to admit.

    Look around. Many many threads here that leaders tell other leaders to just kick and reinvite those they don't want in war. The crude workaround is already being used that way.

    If a player is not happy with their leaders decisions im sure they are smart enough to click that little red button and go find a clan that wants them. Nobody is holding a gun to their heads for ing them to stay in any clan.

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    Leader abuse is just the latest battle cry. Its not really valid. I speak to that topic in the below.

    How it should work...


    There should be a button (it can be a new one or the war shield can be modified) that toggles a player as in or out.

    Access to hit the button to toggle should go to the leader and the player in question.
    ---- individual players cannot opt each other in or out
    ---- its an argument either way to give it to co as well - Good for clans where co is a management job, bad for clans that give it out like candy. (I consider the latter to be a sign of a bad leader)
    ---- A leader who abuses authority to opt guys in against their wishes are really just hurting their own selves for how they are adding a risk to their war participation. (the guy might then just not attack anyhow, if not seeing eye to eye with leader he wont care)
    ---- A leader opting a guy out against his wishes has that prerogative to decide who he wants in his war. And its still nicer than just kicking the guy like happens now.

    The status of a player is only a factor right at the time a war starts. Instead of just selecting all eligible players from the total population it will just be all eligible players from the opted in group.
    ---- Can even implement by leveraging the existing eligibility functionality that currently is only driven by a timer.

    After that everything works the same. The list of warriors from the clan is rounded to an even 5 via the existing logic and then the matchmaking calculation takes place also using the existing logic.

    A player joins a clan with his eligibility set the same way it is today. (He is in unless there is a timer)


    Things that would not happen -
    ...A player cannot add themselves to a war after the fact. If they change their status during a war it makes no difference until the next war when that status is read at startup.
    ...This would not serve as a way to replace members that take off during war. if they do that then there is the same affect on the war as there is today. Unused attacks stay unused. (it will never change that this just stinks when guys pull that stunt)
    Last edited by rwelshjr; January 5th, 2015 at 05:57 PM.

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    Here is another email from SC that mentions the feature. Unlike the one from SuperSteve this one has had regular follow up ever since it came out last April, the most recent being early December. The follow up has been on the entire list, not specific to Opt in/out so since publishing it they have been working through it in order of priority so some is done and some is not yet. (2, 4 and most recently 1 are the ones they have done so far) Whether it is in the next update depends a lot on where they rate its priority compared to what else is left on the list. Also note that there is no commitment that they can't suddenly decide any of these are ruled out instead. That does remain another possibility. But so far they have not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell] View Post
    Here are some ideas you guys have suggested that we would like to implement. Please note that we are not confirming the addition of any of these features, but they are currently under consideration. Ideas not on this list can be safely considered "ruled out" for the time being:

    War Base Layout - saved layout separate from actual village
    Dismiss War Base Clan Castle Troops
    Numbers next to bases
    Loot adjustments
    Opt-in/Opt-out of wars
    More War Info
    Claiming Targets
    Steve's email has been a long time ago too, and that one has absolutely no follow up. There are some (not all) that interpreted SC to be saying they don't like the idea. But if that were true the follow up action to back that up has been a long time without being seen. Only the one from Marika has seen follow up action.
    Last edited by rwelshjr; January 5th, 2015 at 06:10 PM.

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