Is it REALLY worth it or is it ABSOLUTELY necassary to max walls b4 upgrading your th

[Firkrag]

I laugh everytime I hear air attacks referenced in the wall debate. Both heroes stay on the ground. Ever watched a king try to smash through level 10 or level 11 walls?

Are walls worth it? Absolutely. Are they worth the time/money it takes to get them? Totally depends on the player and your goals.

^ This. I've been a TH9 now for a few weeks now and I already have 8/250 lavas and the rest skulls. I'm working them in as I focus on elixir upgrades and, yes, I am keeping a lazy builder. I feel the 40 days of build time you loose keeping a sleepy 5th builder is chump change in light of working my heroes up to 30 each. Having a little patience can benefit you greatly. What's another week, two weeks, a month? I mean total time to max a TH9 is over 6 months already with 5 builders. Don't be lazy and impatient. Trust me, doing them now will pay dividends to you in the future. But alas, to each their own .

[Jason5267]

^ This. I've been a TH9 now for a few weeks now and I already have 8/250 lavas and the rest skulls. I'm working them in as I focus on elixir upgrades and, yes, I am keeping a lazy builder. I feel the 40 days of build time you loose keeping a sleepy 5th builder is chump change in light of working my heroes up to 30 each. Having a little patience can benefit you greatly. What's another week, two weeks, a month? I mean total time to max a TH9 is over 6 months already with 5 builders. Don't be lazy and impatient. Trust me, doing them now will pay dividends to you in the future. But alas, to each their own .

man, lemme tell you this, people arguing that walls help aren't wrong at all, they do a lot, but defenses help A HELL OF A LOT MORE, and everyone saying upgrade walls is saying that, oh it helps against attacks, air attacks aren't the only factor, which is a very valid argument to the point, BUT at the same time, as you are right now, max TH9 defenses I presume? I as a TH8 can confidently say I could 2 star your base (before you accuse me of lying, watch my channel and check my thread here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-comp-gowivape because people always accuse me of lying lol) now if you had simply maxed your lego walls and upgraded to TH10, or even just moved up to Th10 when your defenses were done, even if you had lv7 walls, you'd be a way stronger TH10, and then I wouldn't be able to 1 star your base most probably, and you'd do way better on defense as well as get an offensive boost with stronger troops earlier, now If I can raid those lava walls and I'm a TH8 with a little bit of know how on golem based raids, tell me if a good TH9 attacker found you, or if I had TH9 troops, would you say your defense would hold up better as it is now or if you had moved to TH10 earlier, watch TheHulkFiles YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVY...6xTNbaclC-Gyfw 3 starring TH9 with high walls all day, just 1 example of exactly how exploitable TH9s are because defenses are lower, now I say TH9 specifically because you kinda can't upgrade past TH10, but it applies the same to all TH8s and TH7s, again clarifying, I love walls I would say max them out if you do it before you max your defenses, but if you are wasting builder time and lab time it's not worth it because your results will be worse, staying at your TH to upgrade walls after you've maxed not only halts your defensive progression hugely but it's also stopping you from getting that much stronger TH10 attack force, all the people saying it's gonna help in the future, how can you prove that? Th10 farmers get loot for days, watching Whites channel just an example, you see how fast his storages get filled? Th10 loot problems are just an excuse for bad farmers, prove me wrong about that if you can because I can't confirm that last part either, it's just based on what I've seen but everything up top is facts I can confirm

[Cali559Beast]

Walls are love, Walls are life

[resnullius]

^ This. I've been a TH9 now for a few weeks now and I already have 8/250 lavas and the rest skulls. I'm working them in as I focus on elixir upgrades and, yes, I am keeping a lazy builder. I feel the 40 days of build time you loose keeping a sleepy 5th builder is chump change in light of working my heroes up to 30 each. Having a little patience can benefit you greatly. What's another week, two weeks, a month? I mean total time to max a TH9 is over 6 months already with 5 builders. Don't be lazy and impatient. Trust me, doing them now will pay dividends to you in the future. But alas, to each their own .

here's the thing, if you don't gem, you're going to fall behind other players if you focus on walls too much. you're going to fall further and further behind.

i don't know how much you play, but TH11 is coming sooner or later. for players like me, who focus on defenses first and walls only to the point that they require 2 wbs, we'll be ready (and willing) to make the jump to TH11. i can't emphasize how important layout is, either. over time, you'll see that people only attack your base from certain points and you can figure out which walls you want to upgrade and which ones are less important.

in any case, if you plan on maxing walls at TH9 and TH10… you'll be there for a really long time. 750 million gold for all lvl 10 walls and 1 BILLION gold for all lvl 11 walls. there are lots of people on the forums who have been playing since release who haven't gotten half of that amount yet. we're not talking a week or a month -- you'll be stuck with idle builders for many many months -- years, even.

meanwhile, your "peers" will be maxing defenses and troops at TH11. they'll be able to smash your base (much like any TH10 with maxed troops can smash your TH9 base now). personally, i'd prefer having maxed troops and defenses over focusing on walls.

[Firkrag]

man, lemme tell you this, people arguing that walls help aren't wrong at all, they do a lot, but defenses help A HELL OF A LOT MORE, and everyone saying upgrade walls is saying that, oh it helps against attacks, air attacks aren't the only factor, which is a very valid argument to the point, BUT at the same time, as you are right now, max TH9 defenses I presume? I as a TH8 can confidently say I could 2 star your base (before you accuse me of lying, watch my channel and check my thread here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-comp-gowivape because people always accuse me of lying lol) now if you had simply maxed your lego walls and upgraded to TH10, or even just moved up to Th10 when your defenses were done, even if you had lv7 walls, you'd be a way stronger TH10, and then I wouldn't be able to 1 star your base most probably, and you'd do way better on defense as well as get an offensive boost with stronger troops earlier, now If I can raid those lava walls and I'm a TH8 with a little bit of know how on golem based raids, tell me if a good TH9 attacker found you, or if I had TH9 troops, would you say your defense would hold up better as it is now or if you had moved to TH10 earlier, watch TheHulkFiles YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVY...6xTNbaclC-Gyfw 3 starring TH9 with high walls all day, just 1 example of exactly how exploitable TH9s are because defenses are lower, now I say TH9 specifically because you kinda can't upgrade past TH10, but it applies the same to all TH8s and TH7s, again clarifying, I love walls I would say max them out if you do it before you max your defenses, but if you are wasting builder time and lab time it's not worth it because your results will be worse, staying at your TH to upgrade walls after you've maxed not only halts your defensive progression hugely but it's also stopping you from getting that much stronger TH10 attack force, all the people saying it's gonna help in the future, how can you prove that? Th10 farmers get loot for days, watching Whites channel just an example, you see how fast his storages get filled? Th10 loot problems are just an excuse for bad farmers, prove me wrong about that if you can because I can't confirm that last part either, it's just based on what I've seen but everything up top is facts I can confirm

As a TH8 with full skull walls, I may have been wiped maybe 10-15 times over the 3 or so months I was there. Most attacks were TH snipes and barching armies that were easy to stop. I did have sleepy builders too as there was 62 extra days worth of lab upgrade times over the amount of time it took to max my defensive buildings. Even at TH9 now, I have only been 2 starred maybe like 3-5 times in the few weeks I've been there, maybe 3 starred once? Same thing as at TH8, sniping and barching armies. I haven't seen 1 balloon yet. I'm not trying to disagree with you that TH10's can't farm. I'm not there yet but I'm sure the loot is okay. No need to argue that point. All I know is, I haven't really needed the extra defensive boost yet. Even in war dude, if I get 3 starred so what? I'm usually putting up 4-6 stars myself to balance for the loss. So, for me, the extra days and 1 sleepy builder time are fine. I'd rather not worry about doing level 10&11 walls at TH10 imo.

[LordHalestorm]

I laugh everytime I hear air attacks referenced in the wall debate. Both heroes stay on the ground. Ever watched a king try to smash through level 10 or level 11 walls?

If you're doing an air attack and you need your king to get to the middle of the base, you screwed up. Otherwise, 3 level 6 wall breakers bust a hole in a level 11 wall just as easily as level 9 or 10.

[Firkrag]

here's the thing, if you don't gem, you're going to fall behind other players if you focus on walls too much. you're going to fall further and further behind.

i don't know how much you play, but TH11 is coming sooner or later. for players like me, who focus on defenses first and walls only to the point that they require 2 wbs, we'll be ready (and willing) to make the jump to TH11. i can't emphasize how important layout is, either. over time, you'll see that people only attack your base from certain points and you can figure out which walls you want to upgrade and which ones are less important.

in any case, if you plan on maxing walls at TH9 and TH10… you'll be there for a really long time. 750 million gold for all lvl 10 walls and 1 BILLION gold for all lvl 11 walls. there are lots of people on the forums who have been playing since release who haven't gotten half of that amount yet. we're not talking a week or a month -- you'll be stuck with idle builders for many many months -- years, even.

meanwhile, your "peers" will be maxing defenses and troops at TH11. they'll be able to smash your base (much like any TH10 with maxed troops can smash your TH9 base now). personally, i'd prefer having maxed troops and defenses over focusing on walls.

I'm not worried about TH11, nor the grind to full lavas. Max lab time for TH9&10 combined is 342 days, which is almost a year. I started the game in April 2014 and have already played about 60% of that time anyway and, at the rate I am, I'll probably play another couple of years anyway. So I still say, what is a few more days? So I won't be able to see TH11 when you guys do? Big deal. I'll get there eventually. I didn't know it was a race. I will take on your theory on it taking many many months/years to get my lavas though. Also, to your point about destroying my base, see my last reply.

[OpAsHeck]

I say at lower levels it is crucial but when you start to look at th9's I think it's pointless to max out to lavas. Thats just silly. I've always thought that maxing out TH8 made you already look so much better that so many other bases.

[Pete82]

I say at lower levels it is crucial but when you start to look at th9's I think it's pointless to max out to lavas. Thats just silly. I've always thought that maxing out TH8 made you already look so much better that so many other bases.

What should a player do with their excess gold? Isn't it nice we can dump it into walls for an extremely small marginal gain? This way the extremely active players do get rewarded/status, but very little of a tangible advantage over others.

[Pranav]

Depends I'd say. What it should be is that you have all your walls one level below the max for your current TH before moving onto the next. (TH2 L1, TH3 L2,..., TH8 L7, TH9 L9). Seeing as you're full level 7 walls, move on.

FYI, don't complain about legos or below. Those are super easy and get done it no time comparatively. I was doing lavas before a bit, and let me tell you, it's not very hard. Yes, it's more long, but I mean skulls don't even take that long, quit complaining. (lol the irony)