Why should you max your town hall

[Wintermelon43]

Guys, please do this. It makes loot easier for me to get

[Jason5267]

Your assumption that higher TH means higher loot is false.

Our clan have TH6s-Th10s. And the best loot are from TH7-TH8. Which mean the optimal TH to get those is TH8. You simply collect gold faster as a TH8.

The fact that you can defend better at TH9 is irrelevant, because if you farm a lot and you send your loot as soon as possible, you won't be farmed that much.

I too rushed TH9 on my main account, so I won't say there is some gain in doing so. But I've been destroyed more than once while upgrading my xbows and everything. I didn't hide in the 1300 range either.

If it was based on defense, you should be TH10 with level 1 infernos at 1300 trophies. Just too bad there isn't anything to farm there for you.

BUT, how if I were to say how many times I search for a raid on my max TH8 and come across a near max TH9 with a juicy 400k each offering, and had to skip it because there's no way I can get the loot, my head would explode, while I don't have much trouble raiding those bases on the TH9 account, I'm not saying that you'll farm better because you rushed, I'm saying that you have wider options when you raid, and more options give you the ability to steal more, (for some reason my italics is stuck, just bare with me please lol) and since you have more options to steal, you CAN get more loot, I never said you WILL, but DE wise farming has been A LOT easier on the TH9 than it was when I was farming on my TH8 account

[webbie]

BUT, how if I were to say how many times I search for a raid on my max TH8 and come across a near max TH9 with a juicy 400k each offering, and had to skip it because there's no way I can get the loot, my head would explode, while I don't have much trouble raiding those bases on the TH9 account, I'm not saying that you'll farm better because you rushed, I'm saying that you have wider options when you raid, and more options give you the ability to steal more, (for some reason my italics is stuck, just bare with me please lol) and since you have more options to steal, you CAN get more loot, I never said you WILL, but DE wise farming has been A LOT easier on the TH9 than it was when I was farming on my TH8 account

But how many times do you have to bypass a th6/7 abandoned base or easy storage raids because the loot penalty kills you at th9 (depends on league obviously). I haven't been to th9 yet but I doubt there are many times you can take 400k each with quick farming troops. Not to mention your farming army costs more then mine since troops cost more when upgraded.

I really don't have an issue with people that somewhat rush (like what it sounds like you are doing) but by the time I'm done all the troops I want to use for farming and war my buildings will be upgraded as well and I won't wait on the gobs, healers, etc. Maybe if its always one war attack this can be done faster but to have a variety of options uses a good portion on the troops.

[Jason5267]

before you find flaws in what I am saying, you have to hear what I am saying first, after that I'd honestly love someone to really prove me wrong our highlight any big disadvantages of using this system, because I didn't just randomly think this up, I looked at results of doing it for almost a whole month now and think that when people fully max their THs and leave the lab and free builders for so long they could be working on the next TH level progressing further, faster and getting more into the higher leagues for more fun gameplay, and remember guys IT IS JUST A GAME, no need to get dramatic and complain and shout, I'm just throwing down an idea I had which worked and still works very well for me, I'm not forcing it on anyone or saying that super rushing your TH is good, just showing an efficient method of clashing faster

[Lloopy14]

SOOOOOOO based on everything both my accounts show me rushing your town hall as soon as your war troops are maxed and your farming troops are maxed is best, for both defense and attack, it will help you grow faster and farm better, and it makes it easier to keep your lab/builders busy so at the end of the day you'll be a maxed TH10 a lot faster than if you maxed out all your town halls... happy clashing

I may have done you a disservice by not watching your video and not looking through those logs.

I would like to share my personal experience. I premmied. I mean really premmied. I upgraded when it was still possible to get a bonus for attacking a TH higher than you. ( of course that left me vulnerable to TH8's as well... but I digress.)

I really did notice the difference in loot available. And I got smashed. The resources I lost were not insignificant.

I did what you suggest. I upgraded the troops I needed and used regularly and moved up to a new TH level. My brother started a few weeks before me. I have progressed far more than him. However I have also played far more than him.

It has been a hard slog to get my base up to scratch. I'm not even going to pretend otherwise. Not maxing out at lower levels left me very vulnerable.


I can agree that upgrading the troops you need is important.
I can agree to a limited extend about not maxing out walls and heroes
However I cannot agree with not maxing defenses.

[dahimi]

you are agreeing with me but saying you are not lol

I am not.

since you get the stronger troops you are able to raid the stronger bases for more loot, while if you have weaker troops at lower TH level, you don't have the firepower to take on stronger bases at all

My point is the additional firepower is not necessary to raid collectors. Furthermore the additional walls and defenses gained by the opponents you now have to face without penalty allows them to much better protect their collectors.

since loot penalty allows you to comfortably farm 1 TH below you, you can still hit the weaker bases too, the only thing you lose is the ability to raid TH7s which hardly ever offer any loot, if you don't rush past town hall 9 which I HIGHLY recommend maxing out because it's the TH level where the system of rushing stops working, because TH10 does need you to raid very strong bases which are strong and hard to farm even with stronger troops

The collectors of TH7s offer tons of loot...if you're not TH9.

at TH9 I can easily 3 star a maxed TH8 if I farm with a quick and cheap loon or giant army for a nice 250k + loot, and good DE farming maxed TH9 or relatively decent TH10 bases with infernos aren't too hard to get the DE from with maxed loons

This is your problem. You're not focusing on loot earned per hour, meaning you aren't raiding efficiently. Building balloons and wrecking bases is not an efficient use of time if your goal is to obtain the most loot in the least time.

[Jason5267]

But how many times do you have to bypass a th6/7 abandoned base or easy storage raids because the loot penalty kills you at th9 (depends on league obviously). I haven't been to th9 yet but I doubt there are many times you can take 400k each with quick farming troops. Not to mention your farming army costs more then mine since troops cost more when upgraded.

I really don't have an issue with people that somewhat rush (like what it sounds like you are doing) but by the time I'm done all the troops I want to use for farming and war my buildings will be upgraded as well and I won't wait on the gobs, healers, etc. Maybe if its always one war attack this can be done faster but to have a variety of options uses a good portion on the troops.

I have past under 10 bases on the TH9 account where loot penalty was an issue, a lot less than stronger bases with lots of loot, you'll be suprised how fast a 20 loon 60 minions army tears down a TH9 base with 2 rage spells, I can almost always get 3/4 of their storages raking in 300k from a possible 400k of each, + the DE in the core, the AQ helps a lot too, as for army costs, a 20 loon army with maxed TH9 troops costs 90k elixir and 600 DE, elixir wise it's the same cost as giant healer at TH8, and the DE on minions gets paid for with raid loot, but you could also just farm with giants and archers, max TH9 army of giants and arch costs roughly 105k elixir, and most TH8s even maxed TH8s know the feeling of being 3 starred by giants and arch for 300k each and 1k DE a bit too well, I've seen many TH9s get wrecked by lv6 giants and it will surely work for farming, costs aren't as big a loss as what you get in terms of what you can possibly gain, if army and search costs were an issue then it wouldn't only be an issue for rushed town halls but even more so to people who maxed out because ALL their troops and spells would be more expensive if you see my reasoning?

[3lorian]

The only time where rushing a TH would be better than maxing a TH would be in a casual/family clan that wars several times a month.

In this (and only this) case, yes a rushed TH9 or TH10 with say TH6 or 7 defense but maxed troops would be much better than a maxed out th8. Most TH8s wouldn't be able to three star a rushed 9 or 10 while the rushed 9 or 10 would stomp anything. This is also assuming that there are maxed or near maxed 9s and 10s above he rushed bases in each clan and that the rushed bases get paired up with say maxed out th8s.

[Jason5267]

The collectors of TH7s offer tons of loot...if you're not TH9.

This is your problem. You're not focusing on loot earned per hour, meaning you aren't raiding efficiently. Building balloons and wrecking bases is not an efficient use of time if your goal is to obtain the most loot in the least time.

I can surely tell you though that when I farm on both accounts I normally make more loot per hour on the TH9, and you make as if there are only TH7 collector raids, I haven't found a TH7 collector raid in quite a while, most raids are big storage raids, majority of the good collector raids are on Th10s, maybe it's just me? but at gold 1 (decent farming range for TH9) I find at least 70% of collector raids are on TH9+ bases, also, collector raids are not the only loot in the game, and everything you are saying applies exactly the same to a new upgraded TH because they will start out with the same troops, same spells, same heros as what my TH9 started with, so what you are saying is like, don't upgrade your town hall because you won't be able to get TH7 collector raids anymore, emphasis on MAXING ALL FARMING AND WAR TROOPS FIRST, idk if you are even reading my posts lol

[Jason5267]

I may have done you a disservice by not watching your video and not looking through those logs.

I would like to share my personal experience. I premmied. I mean really premmied. I upgraded when it was still possible to get a bonus for attacking a TH higher than you. ( of course that left me vulnerable to TH8's as well... but I digress.)

I really did notice the difference in loot available. And I got smashed. The resources I lost were not insignificant.

I did what you suggest. I upgraded the troops I needed and used regularly and moved up to a new TH level. My brother started a few weeks before me. I have progressed far more than him. However I have also played far more than him.

It has been a hard slog to get my base up to scratch. I'm not even going to pretend otherwise. Not maxing out at lower levels left me very vulnerable.


I can agree that upgrading the troops you need is important.
I can agree to a limited extend about not maxing out walls and heroes
However I cannot agree with not maxing defenses.

my defenses on the TH9 were all maxed TH7 defenses with lv6 walls when I got there, and my TH8 has been maxed for over a month already with 100% of my defenses maxed out, since the TH9 got it's defenses all = and max TH7 it's been holding up better than the TH8, that's just my experience, maybe it's just a huge stroke of luck? but putting TH outside and farming with the TH9 I have never ever had all my loot stolen from me, while it happens all too often on my max town hall 8, again just what happened to me, defense is really all about getting lucky with who finds you first, a noob or a pro, if it's a great raider you are screwed either way