Why I think that 90+% of the complaints about matchups are ♥♥

[rwelshjr]

In this post I am going to call ♥♥ on the claims from clans saying they "always" get screwed "every time".

I am not debating the matching here, in fact lets even just for arguments say its totally screwed up and ALWAYS creates an unfair matchup. (I am not saying this is true but lets pretend for this post)

1. So starting with simple logic. In any case where there is something on the bottom there has to be something on the top. For every over there has to be an under.
2. So for every clan that is getting screwed by a matchup there must be another clan (their opponent) that is getting a gift, a free or easy win. Has to be true.
3. So logic would dictate that your average clan would be getting screwed half the time and getting a freebie the other half.
4. We can allow that everybody getting 50% is statistically unlikely, it will average that way but some individuals will get screwed a little more and a some a little less.
5. But the farther off 50% we are talking about the likelihood is reduced. So a clan that gets screwed 55% of the time is not out of the question at all, probably happens. But a clan that gets screwed 80% of the time is highly unlikely.
6. And so a clan that gets screwed EVERY time (most of the complaints say 'every') is only a tick mark away from impossible. So given that one tick mark I submit that out of the thousands of clans in COC there is only one or two (I will commit to less than 5) that have truly experienced any such thing.

The forum is filled with way more than that. I suspect (have no real counts) that since war began the complaints on this have been into 4 digits. Somewhere in there might be a guy or two that is stating accurately, I will allow that. But most are not.

Here are some other theories I have in the order I (personally) consider them to be likely)

1. A guy that gets somewhere near 50% smiles and enjoys his freebies but then has a temper tantrum when things don't go his way and starts bawling in the forum exaggerating to say it always happens. (I suspect this to be number 1)
2. Guys evaluate anything other than an overmatch in their favor as being an overmatch against them. Unless its an easy win they say they are getting screwed.

As this thread proceeds feel free to offer other thoughts. But lets not ever start talking about individual clans or self experiences. The comments will get too personal and degenerate into name calling. It was on purpose that I started a new thread o this even though my words above started as a reply to an existing one. I did not want to flame the guy. What I am speak t here is no one person or clan but to what I think the trends really are. I also want to avoid discussing how well matchmaking works, lets have even those that think its always fair for arguments sake speak from the argument that 'IF it was always unfair' since that is what I am speak to.

So the above is a rather lengthy explanation why I think most or all (maybe a single exception) of the threads saying they "always get screwed" by the matching are utter bull.

[Lfx54]

The main thing that contributes to an 'unfair' matchup is whether or not your clan has attackers capable of attacking bases of similar or higher strength. I have seen a number of high level bases that have to attack low because they are incapable of attacking an appropriate base. This means that, whilst they have been matched up with a clan of equal strength, they feel thatchy have no chance.

I have been in a number of war clans and have seen on multiple occasions clans with up to 7 fewer TH10 win because the TH9 could handle themselves.

Spider Rage (Spider Family War Clan) is not undefeated but where we have lost by a few stars (even where we were outnumbered on TH10) we can see the raids that made the difference and know that it was not impossible to win.

Perhaps more personal experience than you wanted but I think that it has to be said as I have never seen a single "unwinnable war"

In this post I am going to call ♥♥ on the claims from clans saying they "always" get screwed "every time".

[blackcollector]

The "always get screwed" comes from something SC hasn't said about the match making.

When war began, everybody was at the same level. Clans decided how often and if they wanted to concentrate on war. Then we started winning. The losing clans, just stopped war or split up.

After a month or two, some clans were dedicated to war and winning by a mile.

After 15-20 wins, something change. Matchups are harder. People face clans much better than them. After winning 15 wars, losing 6-7 in a row seems like "always". I've seen clans with 6-10 lost wars in the war logs. That seems like "always".

So the big question is "what is the factor that put you on the winner or loser side of an uneven matchup"?

By uneven, I don't say just "they have 5 TH10 and us only 2". I'm also including here clans that have heroes twice as strong. Clans that have level 9 walls vs level 7.

There is something that we don't know about matchmaking that make clans face much stronger opponents after a while. Something not based on troops, defenses or heroes.

This is not a losing clan explanation. We've been on the winning side 85% of the time. But I'm sure the 30 we beat just said "why are we matched against them?" We had only a couple of close fights. 25/30 of those wins where not even close. Nothing in the matching description can explain our match-ups. But we are winning more than we lose.

[Mobad]

We are in a terrible mismatch currently. Poor guys didn't stand a chance. Defences much lower than ours, offenses much lower than ours, walls ridiculously low, and many don't have all available defenses. 2 minutes 23 seconds was all it took for match to be made on our side. Poor suckers. I hate the boring wars.

last war was awesome though! We only won by 2 stars.

[rwelshjr]

Perhaps more personal experience than you wanted but I think that it has to be said as I have never seen a single "unwinnable war"

IU actually agree with you on that, but I was keep this thread away from that topic even giving allowance that maybe others (apparently many) have seen many unwinnable wars.

The point of what I am saying is that the ones saying that's all that ever happens is they get unwinnable wars I think are being very inaccurate. My argument allows that (if we assume the matchup is always messing up) they would only be getting unwinnable wars half the time on average, the rest of the time they would be getting easy wins.

In short- The game both giveth and taketh away.

[wepeeler]

People who complain about unfair wars are either losing a lot or in a clan that has a lot of attackers unable to cope with bases of similar strength and higher. It's taken awhile for my clan to finally get to where we are now, but everyone is upgrading defenses/troops/wallwall etc before upping their TH, AND learning good war raiding technique from one another. We have TH8s who routinely 2 star TH9s, and me being a TH9, routinely get matched against TH10s. Which I also have very little trouble 2 starring. Sure, we've come across a few "unfair" wars, but we've manage to cope because we know how to attack and have upgraded our bases.

Perhaps lower the number of people in your clan? Everyone being on the same page is a major positive.

[rwelshjr]

We are in a terrible mismatch currently. Poor guys didn't stand a chance. Defences much lower than ours, offenses much lower than ours, walls ridiculously low, and many don't have all available defenses. 2 minutes 23 seconds was all it took for match to be made on our side. Poor suckers. I hate the boring wars.

last war was awesome though! We only won by 2 stars.

OK, but that is not what this thread is talking about. It even allows that your scenario happens.

[rwelshjr]

People who complain about unfair wars are either losing a lot or in a clan that has a lot of attackers unable to cope with bases of similar strength and higher. It's taken awhile for my clan to finally get to where we are now, but everyone is upgrading defenses/troops/wallwall etc before upping their TH, AND learning good war raiding technique from one another. We have TH8s who routinely 2 star TH9s, and me being a TH9, routinely get matched against TH10s. Which I also have very little trouble 2 starring. Sure, we've come across a few "unfair" wars, but we've manage to cope because we know how to attack and have upgraded our bases.

Perhaps lower the number of people in your clan? Everyone being on the same page is a major positive.

Why would I lower the number of people in my clan? I am happy as hell. The thread is not a complaint about my good life in coc wars.

[rwelshjr]

The "always get screwed" comes from something SC hasn't said about the match making.

When war began, everybody was at the same level. Clans decided how often and if they wanted to concentrate on war. Then we started winning. The losing clans, just stopped war or split up.

After a month or two, some clans were dedicated to war and winning by a mile.

After 15-20 wins, something change. Matchups are harder. People face clans much better than them. After winning 15 wars, losing 6-7 in a row seems like "always". I've seen clans with 6-10 lost wars in the war logs. That seems like "always".

So the big question is "what is the factor that put you on the winner or loser side of an uneven matchup"?

By uneven, I don't say just "they have 5 TH10 and us only 2". I'm also including here clans that have heroes twice as strong. Clans that have level 9 walls vs level 7.

There is something that we don't know about matchmaking that make clans face much stronger opponents after a while. Something not based on troops, defenses or heroes.

This is not a losing clan explanation. We've been on the winning side 85% of the time. But I'm sure the 30 we beat just said "why are we matched against them?" We had only a couple of close fights. 25/30 of those wins where not even close. Nothing in the matching description can explain our match-ups. But we are winning more than we lose.

Regardless of all that, for very one that loses out in a bad matchup there has to be someone that wins. Those that are saying that the game only gives bad matchups to everyone are mistaken. Its just not logically possible.

[Stiehl9s]

I couldnt agree more.

Also notice that a vast majority of these complaints are done before war has even started. Typically the comparison is given in just Level vs Level or TH vs TH level. Very few compare troop levels as well. And then how many complainers come back and admit that they won the war?