Don't make elixer only used for level 9 walls!!! here's why

[Gama321]

Sorry? It was obviously your intention to be rude.

Well when I make a point, and the response is simply that he will not respond anymore without addressing what I said don't you think he's being rude?

[Mr4nthonyy]

Sorry if I sounded rude but saying that you are unbiased and then talking about being selfish and not caring about anyone but your own ability to upgrade walls is clearly contradictory.
Then stating that other people are loving your 'suffering' is irrelevant to whether walls should be upgraded with elixir or not.
You also go on and on about the economy and various people complaining and having there voices heard and whatever else. But saying that SC did it due to other players is your opinion which isn't based on quotes from SC or anything.
What you had to do to make a valid point is say why it should be kept the same, instead of being higher to lvl9 walls (as I stated you need around 10 times the resources needed to max walls and much longer time at th9), or lower than lvl6 walls at th2 or whatever.

All you have stated was your baseless opinion and acted as if it was some sort of fact, even after people have tried to convince you otherwise they cant as your opinion isn't based on anything for them to be able to refute, you're not willing to properly consider what other people have to say. The simple reason for this seems to be your concern for your own ability to upgrade walls with elixir without considering anything else.

I honestly think you interpreted my writing incorrectly. I won't try to explain it again, as I don't want to waste your time. I felt as though I was clear in my writings though. But I do apologize for you taking my "opinions" as such. By all means, I have no choice but to respect your opinion as it is how you feel, so at this point it's fine, really.

[Mr4nthonyy]

Well when I make a point, and the response is simply that he will not respond anymore without addressing what I said don't you think he's being rude?

And that's not rude. I obviously feel strongly about my position, so I politely tried to walk away on a simple note. But take it as you will.

[Mr4nthonyy]

I wish we had more people like you on the forum. So many nasty people...

I truly do try, thank you.

Sorry? It was obviously your intention to be rude.

And thank you for stepping in, but I don't want you to get dragged in. It's fine, I'm not gonna be broken up about it. I just don't want to argue anymore.

[Goobers]

No no, because regardless of this update, I'm going to raid with the same army. It won't make any difference at all, i'll just be maxed on elixer all the time because I have nothing to spend it on. There's no point in me building gowipes to raid people and get 50k more of each resource, but spend 150k more to do it.

If you can find raids well right now, and I can find raids well right now, are we the only ones? So why does the economy need fixing? That's all I'm saying. There is no 'so-called' shortage of elixer right now...it just simply doesn't exist. I've never heard a clanmate say it, I've never felt it or heard it from any friends from other clans, and frankly find the assertion kinda ridiculous. I don't see what I'm missing on why this is needed to 'help' us when it's not really 'helping' me at all.

Holy Christ guy, you're a TH8. Purple walls take like 40M to max out, so obviously TH7s can't dump all their stores into walls, you as the TH8 have about 125M for skull walls though. You are the ones who are starting the trend of dumping into walls, and the elixir shortage is hitting TH9s and TH10s. Of course you're finding raids, I bet you're leveling TH7s for 200k/200k minimum each time. Do you have any idea what elixir for walls at your level does to TH9s and TH10s though?

This update should never have happened in the first place, or it should have required that the player retained the maximum lootable amount for their TH in order to use elixir for a wall upgrade. Setting it from lvl9+ still does nothing to help the troubles TH10s continue to face. They either need to fix it with a restriction (which they could then allow lvl7+ to do it no problem), or get rid of it entirely for anything below lvl 11.

[Goobers]

Three, the economy. If it's TH10's complaining about loot, what do affecting TH7's or 8's gotta do with them? Your loot penalty is so heavy (50% of available resources...so 7% of what's in our storages and 25% of what's in our collectors) if y'all tried to raid us, we should be the least of your concerns. Mind you, the TH9's still potentially have the ability to still spend "extra elixir" on their walls to level 9 and 10...sooooo where exactly does the balancing come in with that? I mean, there is a cap regardless, and even TH9's get a penalty raiding us (though I know miniscule in comparison to TH10's). TH9's can still get 280K in gold/elixir from us if we have about 2.2 million in our storages of the respective resource anyway; and I don't know where y'all be looking, but I see plenty of TH8's and TH9's with wonderful loot in those abandoned collectors (TH10's too!) But I'm sorry, I'll bite my tongue, because last thing a TH9 or 10 would wanna see is a TH8 talking about they see good loot...but I mean...if I see em I know y'all got to see em too sometimes.

BUT I DIGRESS. Point is, people weren't open minded, so the louder party got their wish. All we can do (us affected by it) is just live with it.

The louder party didn't get their wish. This elixir for walls update should have been handled in one of two ways:

A) Non-existent. Progress on walls would still be a grind for lvls 9+, but it wouldn't have affected the economy any worse than before, b/c there was no change.

2) Restricted. Require that the player retain the minimum elixir levels in storages after doing each wall piece so that they are still at the maximum loot cap for raiding players. (As a TH8, that's 2.15M. So you would need 2.65M or more in order to use 500k on a skull wall). That would completely solve the problem of overflowing storages (TH10s would have to have 8M to use elixir on a lvl 11 zap wall, but still allows for it), and it would not allow players to drain the elixir out of their storages purely by dumping it into walls.

The only reason someone could use against this option is that "well then I would still offer the max amount to someone raiding me" and I can only give the biggest F*** YOU to whoever who would try to use that response, considering how badly this update crippled the economy for TH9/10s for being able to offer nothing via a double resource dump.

This update (rather a partial revert on the first update) still does nothing to solve the problems at TH10, like you said, b/c it allows for TH9s to still dump elixir into walls, completely unrestricted. This should alleviate most of the problems TH9s were facing (for raiding TH8s at least), but once again SC put out a hastily thought-out band-aid fix to attempt to solve the problem, which is just plain lazy.

[Goobers]

Then use the elixer to build a better army that you can use to raid storages
or what i did when i was a th8 sitting on maxed storage of elixer all the time was push as high as i could and when i ran out of elixer i dropped trophies, got some more and restarted the cycle all over again
you got tons of elixer, use it for something that will help you

You have a point, but I have no issues farming any loot whatsoever. It's just the elixir accumulates after a while but I do see your point. But, saying that also goes back to the thing I said above when people have the mindset that "They didn't have a certain option so we shouldn't either/They did it so so can we". I hope that's not coming off rude, as I'm not trying to be, but I just still can't understand the current update dilemma.

I work for whatever I want anyway, so upgrading walls with just gold isn't mission impossible for me, but times changed, and it was a heck of a lot more convenient to have 3 Wizard Tower Upgrades going at the same time and spending some elixir to upgrade walls on the side. But eh. Change of plans.

Or what you can do is what us advanced farmers did (as you seem to be one of them) and just move on to TH9. Read sharonysm's thread about being a premmie TH8/9 and you'll see that you're probably already on board to head to TH9 to get that offensive boost. There is a great need for elixir there, and you can slowly finish up your skulls while doing it.

I'll say it again, why do you not argue that th2s should be able to upgrade wall with elixir, and more importantly why do you think they cant at the moment?
Also this comment just shows your bias, you are only concerned with what benefits you and not the overall gameplay

I clearly said if lower levels got the chance, for what reason would I even care what they are doing??? As a TH8, I wouldn't be raiding anyone below TH7, so I do not care if TH2 had that right. I would not deny anyone the right if they felt it need be. Why TH2 don't have it? Maybe SC feel they wouldn't need the option, though at any TH level, you can have excess elixir. I'm not biased. SC gave us something then turned around and took it. It might sound a little selfish on our part a bit, but oh, the greater town halls are loving that we are suffering and mad just to satisfy their egos but that's OK. Things change in life, point, blank, period. That's life, that's also why I said I guess we'd have to get used to the update as well. Please thoroughly read what I type, as many things you're calling me out on, I've addressed myself.

Like I said before, this goes back to people being bitter for no reason...huh.

Gama's logic wouldn't work here as the resource sink for everything TH6 and below has a very low ceiling, so everyone would quickly get their black/gold/pink walls and then start to accumulate elixir again. TH7 is around 40-50M to do all purple IIRC, but even that can be completed by smart farmers (the ones dumping their resources into it) in a matter of weeks. TH8 requires about 125M, and is where walls could begin to be considered that "endless resource sink," and that's where the problem lies, for TH9s and TH10s.

This has nothing to do with TH9s and TH10s pointing fingers and saying "nyah nyah look what you can't do" and has everything to do about the imbalance this caused for those higher levels.

I just wish you could be a TH10 for a week. Not in a snarky, "see how you like it" way, but so that you can actually see first-hand how bad it is with this update. I understood (or thought I did) the loot penalties and how it would affect each TH upgrade, and as a TH8 I couldn't understand how TH10s could have it so bad even before the lix for walls update. I was occasionally seeing a stacked TH9 or 10, like you mentioned, so I kept that in mind and thought "well they can see those bases too, and there really isn't a penalty for them." But what you're not realizing is that you skip those bases b/c they're iron-clad, while you are sifting through TH7s that are offering 200-300k total resources, or TH8s with 200-300k total resources, looking to find one that you want to hit. It's not a matter of what's available to you, it's "which base can I get most of these resources from?"

Even as a TH9, I didn't fully understand the problems at TH10. "It's just one level, and one less group of THs I can effectively farm." But there was a huge difference between conceptualizing how TH10 would be, as a TH9, and then experiencing just how bad it is when I finally got there.

This was all about attempting to fix the broken economy for higher level players (and I even pointed out that it once again falls short of fixing anything for TH10).

I would hope that you would want changes like these to go through for the good of the overall gameplay, as I'm sure you expect to be a TH9/TH10 one day as well.

[Alejosoft]

Seems as these two opposing threads each have valid points, and I wonder how Supercell, with their crackpot team of developers, couldn't figure out the perfect solution to this problem?

Elixir for walls allowed from lvl 7+ walls, but in order to use elixir to upgrade the wall piece, you must satisfy these conditions:

- after wall upgrade, you still retain enough elixir to hit the max loot cap for your TH level.

... and that's it. Just don't allow it to be completely unrestricted, and you let hardcore farmers with overflowing elixir have an outlet to dump their excess into, and it doesn't allow players to dump it all out of the system so that others can't recover their army costs.

Well said buddy. I hope Supercell developers read this idea.

[Tydorstus]

You lead me to this nonsense?

"I'm TH8. I am a very active player - I raid a lot.
The problem is I am going to have NOTHING to do with elixer."

Is counter logic. You build armies with elixir that you supposedly raid with a lot. If you have too much elixir and not enough black elixir/gold then build non-cost efficient armies to raid towns storing lots of gold (such as ballonion or GoWiPe). You can always spend excess amounts of purple elixir in healthy ways. Opposed to players having no purple elixir to raid - whatsoever - is endemic and is unhealthy for the game. This patch does mitigate the problem at hand but Super Cell needs to just remove spending elixir on walls entirely.

When was loonions not cost effective. Sure it takes a while to train and you wont get as much resoruces as you can barching, lower leagues, but for me 95% of the time i profit from the raids and barching is out of the question in the higher leagues, black mortars, xbows, infernos at 10 and lvl 7 wizard towers makes it super hard. But then again i guess it isn't cost efficient in lower leagues, currently in C1 pushing to M3 with it and farming DE and gold.


Elixir for me is mostly neutral growth at least in C1, TH9 with lvl 6 loons (I use 24 loons 50 minions and if needed 1 spells, for 2 star as i am trophy pushing to masters atm). I gain DE after every raid. On avrage of 700 per raid. Yes i know its a bit on low side compared to collector farming but i raid storage and Once i hit M3 I will be gaining them for each win as the league bonus will cover the cost of my army minus maybe the occasional spell i will have to use.

But back to OP. If you are having excess elixir train Dragons and donate them to your Clan. You will use exilir and your clanmates will like you for the dragons you are donating. I am sure you can create a farming army with 3 barracks while 4th one keeps pumping out dragons to donate. Sure it will increase the time between raids but you will help clan out

[Drakeo1990]

Im at TH8 and I think elixer on walls should be done away with completely. I can't imagine the problem of excess

elixer everyone is talking about. How we complain about having too much of a resource? If i have all of this elixer but

nothing to spend it on then I don't need it. So why should I care if anyone comes and takes it. The only thing elixer on

walls did was speed up the process a little bit which isn't really a whole lot because we really are only talking about

walls anyway. This game isn't meant to be quick at higher levels. If it was then everyone would be a maxed TH10

already. If you want to take the time and effort to level up your walls then do so, if not then move on.