Opt Out Option During War

[Mobad]

I have no idea who original poster is, so take your flaming elsewhere. You might have second accounts, but that would be just too many user names and passwords for me to keep track of as I already have enough in the real world.

Yes i comment on these threads, as I agree in the most part with them. You have your right to disagree. Your opinion really doesn't matter to me. I left the comment I did as these threads always spiral down as this one is currently doing. Then they get shut down, so when someone thinks they have a novel idea and opens an account to post it's basically the only one for a while. Until someone gets testy and rude leaving the mods with no choice. The fact is if people could be civilized and less holier than though my clan is perfect and you all deserved to get smashed by me, then maybe a compromise solution could be found.

This GAME is out there for ALL to enjoy and the portion of it called war is also available to all. It's not some super elite club. If super cell deems to not be all inclusive and not to allow their consumers the right to decide how they will play the game with their friends and when they want to play it then they will loose customers. If they institute rules as to how people must lead, and how clans must work then they will loose customers. Customers absolutely have the right to make demands upon an institution forcing it to change into what is right and usable for them. If a business stands staunch and refuses to bend then they will be replaced with something more palatable.

You can make your derisive comments about me all you want. It goes to show a persons character. I would have never even thought to open a second account on forums or within the game. Your opinions will not stop me from posting on any opt out thread I come across that hasn't already been shut down.

And again.....im finding zero difficulty acquiring loot since the elixer wall upgrade, so I fail to see what you refer too.

I'm not convinced that anything the naysayers profess will come about. As a matter of fact I believe that adding an opt out will allow clans to come to war more able to enjoy it and total number of clans participating will go up. Maybe we will see less clans changing their war frequency to never and warring occasionally.

[Jietoh]

I have no idea who original poster is, so take your flaming elsewhere. You might have second accounts, but that would be just too many user names and passwords for me to keep track of as I already have enough in the real world.
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I apologize for using your name, I wasn't really accusing you of being the culprit. I just used your name because it's one that I remember as being a proponent for the idea.

[rwelshjr]

I'm not talking about elite base or troop strength, I'm talking about skill.

Either way. And frankly that's what we do now. But the lower skilled players are a little self conscious about their lower ability and I have to make sure they can keep their confidence up. Being able to hold them out in a way that they don't on some inward level still wonder if its a sort of punishment would help me do that. I am trying to build them up so anything that pushes the other way is regrettable t have to do.

You can't have it both ways, you can't say that kick invite is so annoying, difficult, disruptive, etc that this feature is absolutely required by a clan that wants to be a relaxed group of friends and then turn around and say that it's so easy that if anything negative would result from the feature that those negative things would already be happening.

The reason that those negative things aren't happening now is that kick/invite is ONLY used for extreme cases where someone needs to sit for real life reason because it is annoying and disruptive at times. If the opt out feature were implemented it imply that SC condones the practice of using only your most skilled players for a war and so that practice would become the norm. THAT'S why my arguments are not 'red herrings'..

I was not having it both ways. I do stand on my statements about "annoying, difficult, disruptive, etc" (to use your words) but I said that our doing it was despite the pain it causes. Just because we feel its necessary to absorb that pain does not diminish it. We only do so because there currently is no other option. And because its the only way we just do it, not just for extreme cases, any time it comes up. Yes it does do damage and that's why I would like to see a better way. And since it is only a different way to do what we do already nothing would change is why my opinion is that your arguments are red herrings. (but you are welcome to think otherwise, I respect that)

If you can't regularly 3 star a base of your level, then there's no place for you in clan wars..

Rather than take such a stance we develop players that can't do this into ones that can. We first have them watch what we do, then practice 3 starring outside of wars, then we bring them in. This is good for the game as it grows war membership. It would be so much easier to administrate this with an opt in/out feature.

[rwelshjr]

I apologize for using your name, I wasn't really accusing you of being the culprit. I just used your name because it's one that I remember as being a proponent for the idea.

Hmmmm, then you'd better pick on me too.

[rwelshjr]

Opt out wouldn't work because an inactive person wouldn't be there to opt out. The leaders need to pick who goes to war. Another good idea is only elders and leaders go to war.

I actually would be against and prefer no option to basing it on Elders, Co leads, and leaders. Those roles all have powers associated with them and there are guys we want to bring into war that we do not want to grant the other powers. War [articipation and elder/co/leader status do have to stay separate.

Regarding the inactive person, the option should be selectable by both the person in question and the leader so they can opt out the afk person if needed. As far as a person that's just gone completely inactive, that might as well be put out of the clan regardless of feature or even regardless of war.

[rwelshjr]

I'd like to know how you know this for a fact. How can you say that it's not Mobad or one of the other strong proponents of this idea who are doing this to artificially demonstrate support for this.

I'm suspicious. It seems that as soon as the last topic dies down, it mysteriously rises up again to thrust itself into the spotlight.

it's always by someone who has no posts other than the topic starter, its always posted in clan wars and not ideas and features request, and the originator never comes on to defend his idea after making the initial post. too coincidental for my tastes.

I'm pretty comfortable. Usually when people first join a forum they start with what they feel their biggest complaint is and that's why so many new forum members are leading with this one. Those of us that keep chiming in are able to do it plenty enough with our one account. I think the 'multi accounts' theory might be getting a little paranoid or grabbing at straws to come up with some other explanation than that there are this many people that want the feature. And yes, often originators do too come on to further defend, I don't know if this one has or not, but they do quite often. But you are right that some back off but who can blame them, the detractors talk down to those that don't agree with them and get pretty harsh about it. The moderators have had to close several threads for how nasty that gets. (and maybe if we are being paranoid we can speculate if the nastiness is a ploy used by the detractors to shut down threads saying things they don't like)

And just curious, can you make multiple accounts with just one email address anyhow? I've never tried it. Most places check that and will only allow one account per email address.

[Jietoh]

Hmmmm, then you'd better pick on me too.

Mobad's name is easier to remember than your err... bunch of random consonants and one vowel...

[rwelshjr]

Mobad's name is easier to remember than your err... bunch of random consonants and one vowel...

Apologies. I should have picked a better one I guess. So it would appear that my screen name is mo' bad than his.

[Mobad]

I apologize for using your name, I wasn't really accusing you of being the culprit. I just used your name because it's one that I remember as being a proponent for the idea.

As as for not using the little guys....we do and they do awesome. Our last war our opponents padded their clan with little guys that are inactive. Our little guys three starred every one! Our lowest gal who was a th3 picked up 6 stars. They had to use attacks from big guys to clean up causing them to loose. Encourage your little guys to find clans that will help them if you can't. That is our primary focus and we send some really good attackers off to bigger clans. There are plenty of other clans out there just like ours that don't think only the most elite should go to war. It's whomever is ready and willing for us. Those that aren't willing end up with the kick ♥♥♥♥ that I end up having to do before I push that start button. That opt out is already being used, it's just a pain in my derrière. Many many clans already opt out their less than best players, have started separate war clans that only their best are allowed in, or kick anyone they don't want in war anyways. I really really do not believe it will change the playing field more and make wars more fun with better participation. Seeing more and more threads in reguards to lack of participation from opponent and no challenge. Thinking these guys want challange not an easy win from being up against inactives.

Also as stated by another poster, people start accounts because they have something to say. So if the opt out is the most pressing problem to them it may be their very first post. It was exactly why I started an account. I read forums, but never participated until a thread I had been reading in reguards to an opt out was closed due to the apparently inevitable spiral of nastiness that happens to every single one I've seen, many not even posted in by me. Those threads are no longer available for people to add their comments, opinions, or pleads to, so inevitability they have to start a new post to have their say. Then they get jumped on, called names, treated disrespectfully and they may not post again for some time, or they get ticked off and sucked into the unending viscous circle of arguing for something that they strongly believe in only to be told they are not good leaders, don't know how to run a clan, or that they are whiners by people that have zero knowledge to that fact. Either way it always seems to spiral.

[Mobad]

Apologies. I should have picked a better one I guess. So it would appear that my screen name is mo' bad than his.

Just call him guitar dude! Or mr welch jr? Lol