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Thread: This business of "farming" needs to be dealt with - and fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSud View Post
    Where's the proof of that statement? The only reason farming is perceived is necessary is because people are being farmed by farmers, which in turn frustrates them and turns them toward farming, creating an endless loop of idiocy.
    (To whom it may concern: this quote is made only for the first sentence, all others are perceived as useless to the writer of this quote)

    proof? Me. I don't use gems(though I do stock up on them via obstacles and achievement, but its not even enough to buy me a lvl 9 barracks with 130000+ elixir on me), I farm, I survive enough to reap resources from MY OWN ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ COLLECTORS. What I said to my (also a coc playing) brother when I began to farm was: farming only benefits passive players as this allows them to collect from their collectors without much obstruction, and quite harmful to players who killed their way to the top, as the only players they get to attack only have trophies as a valuable resource.

    you read me? Farming is strategy, its survival, hell, drop a hundred trophies or so and NOT A SINGE F*CKING PERSON EVER EVEN TOUCH YOUR ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BASE. Those that do go for the town hall and every once in a while SOME AMBITIOUS LITTLE ♥♥♥♥♥ tries to go for your stuff before getting annihilated twice, first by your defenses, then by you attacking his base in revenge.
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    Let me get this straight, you wrote a long as essay just to whine about how a huge aspect of the game (farming) is p*ssing you off because you can't handle being raided?

    First off, you're right when you said your base is nothing amazing. But you're definitely NOT where you should be for your Town Hall level, as others have pointed out. So here's a suggestion, instead of flaming farmers, let's start working on your under-leveled defense shall we? Then maybe, JUST maybe, you can defend against us "cowardly and worthless" farmers. Oh, and your archers really should be level 5 by now.

    Secondly, your understanding of the game and the system it is built upon is fundamentally flawed. Attacking/raiding revolves around players' respective trophy levels where people are free to gain trophies as they wish, or conversely, drop trophies. So what you are implying in your rant, is that SC should totally rebuild a new system whereby you CANNOT deliberately lower your trophies, and in the process, putting players in a league where they "rightfully" belong.

    Thirdly, your understanding of the term "farming" is questionable. Ask 10 farmers if they would use a Pekka to loot, and 10 would want to give you a slap. The guy who attacked you was clearly looking to flatten your base, not steal "diddly squat" from you. Us farmers might be "cowardly and worthless", but we obviously aren't stupid.

    Fourthly, have you heard of the phrase, "If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen"? Here's a more relevant one, "If you can't handle the raids, get out of your league".

    Fifth, you talk about risk and reward. Have you heard of the Town Hall loot penalty? Maybe go read up on that before you write up another rant.

    Sixth, paying to progress IS NOT required.

    Seven, there is no such thing as a "legitimate" way of playing. You are welcomed to hunt trophies, gem, farm, be a premature Town Hall.

    Lastly, your rant probably sounded smarter in your head before you posted it. Drop a league level to one where you actually belong in, and you'll find life much nicer. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomyoda13 View Post
    To all those people out there saying that she/he is just jealous of other's bases....bullcrap. I agree with her, it's so hard to get trophies and work your way up when people are just dropping them.

    To all the people saying he/she should just get in the game and drop trophies herself...crazy. Clash of clans is about defending, and working your way up. Not just farming and losing trophies. It seems ridiculous that we should just give up trying to earn trophies, because others are being cheap.

    I agree that farming is a problem. Now, as to fix it....I wish I knew. I'll leave that up to supercell.
    You clearly don't know how to play this game. How are you gonna work your way up if you don't FARM and gain RESOURCES in order to UPGRADE your base? Have you heard of people trying to find a trophy level where it is relatively easier to loot resources, then upgrade their base/troops, and then pushing for a higher trophy/league level? Yes I'm sure you have. If you haven't done it before, then do us all a favour and delete the game.

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    Don't be suprised that ur being picked on by people 30+ lvls higher than you. It has been that way since the beginning of the game. Farmers usually stay at ur trophy level and go for either the really easy bases with easy access to resources in the center or go for mines and pumps that are full (what I do). To complain about this issue is not worth it. Just hang in there and you will gain resources in no time. But my advice to you is to get teslas to deal with pekkas and upgrade ur splash defenses (mortars and wizard towers). Good luck!

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    this dude made 2 posts in May, people are still trying to get their opinions heard in August. LOLOLOL
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    You are crying over your own mistakes my friend, you own mistakes. With that layout and defence lvls at a gold lvl 2 league I suggest lowering your trophies and is it me or does that base look like it has a town hall outside? Farming is an essential part of this game allowing players who are not gemming there way to victory can have a chance, I'm agreeing with Juliang here. But as in everything my friend $money$ gets you up but not to the best in clash of clans. Farming is something that lets yes better players bully us i guess, but when I was a town hall 7 my attacks were 50% town hall 7 and 50% town hall 6 but now that i am th 8 i essentially cant "bully th6s anymore" so loot penalties are great way to stop them I have lvl 5 troops at th 8 and attack th9s and 10s that are semi maxed out and with those ppl there are your average premature th 8s to "destroy" and according to your post this is bullying. At 1,600 trophies with a not maxed out th 7 moved to th8 i don't know why you thought your semi-premature th8 could handle 1,600. And with the P.E.E.K.A thing you can ask any farmer if they would use a P.E.E.K.A to attack and 9/10 times they would slap You silly and say your an idiot.
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    To be honest i love attacking hi tech bases at silver because when im pushing they get me up so quick plus they have so much reasoures and a couple of lightning spell to a de storage it great
    To add the original thread made me laugh to hard what an idiot that is the whole idea of the game i mean whos going to get reasourses and farm at master 1 league?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSud View Post
    Hello everyone. This is my base. I'd like to think that it is a pretty accurate representation of an average player who belongs in the Gold II league. My walls are coming along nicely, and my cannons and towers are level 6-7, with level 3-4 mortars and 2-3 wizards. Nothing amazing, nothing too crappy, just right for where I should be. My archers are level 4, and I am very happy about just unlocking minions.

    This is an example of what I get attacked with. Why yes, that is a level 3 Pekka, thank you for noticing. And yes, he did spend ridiculous amounts of resources to walk away with almost diddly squat from my base. All in all, he's one of the stupid ones, he'll probably just go off and buy a bunch of gems to recoup his losses, and wave his level 3 Pekka at some other unassuming player, the real problem here is his less ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed cousins. Yes, those ♥♥♥♥♥♥s that sit in leagues completely inappropriate to their tech level, I'm talking about the farmers.

    Farmers are a cowardly and worthless bunch who have decided that life is too tough for them at a league appropriate to their tech level, and instead have opted to drop a lot of trophies so they can abuse the poorly thought out trophy and shield system. Their routine consists of cherry picking opponents far weaker than them, and taking whatever resources they have. They are then protected from retaliation both by their insanely high level defenses, but also by the act of putting their town hall out in the open so they lose an insignificant amount of resources and gain a free shield, blocking those that might be an actual threat of getting into their resource storages. This is a problem in all leagues, but especially at around the 1250 range, where players are desperate to get the gem awarding achievement, and are usually out looking to snipe town halls so they can get their achievement gems to put towards another builder.

    As someone who has competitive experience in FPS and RTS games, I have to almost say it's embarrassing at times to be a participant in this game because of how widespread and accepted this act has become. While it's understandable that this is a freemium game and money has to be made somewhere, it's just ridiculous to make that money by basically having bullies run around shaking down kids for their lunch money because they feel it's a better alternative to playing and progressing through the game legitimately.

    While I don't intend this post to be a name&shame, here are some examples of people who are a part of the problem, rather than the solution:



















    More examples really shouldn't be necessary to prove the trend here. Now, I'm not just going to rant and run, so let's add a little bit of constructiveness to this post. Here are some things that I think can be done to remedy the situation a lot.

    1. Town Halls are supposed to be targets of opportunity.

    It says so right there in the description for it. Go ahead, click the info on your town hall, I'll wait. Right, now, here's the problem: the value of the shield given by the town hall's demise is far more than the loss of about 8 trophies and 1000 gold and elixir. Essentially, that town hall being destroyed is worth about 50 gems for a 12 hour shield. So, what do we do? Simple - in any RTS game if your town hall falls, you're in some real deep doo doo. Because Clash of Clans matches don't exactly have real time economy, so to speak, the loss of a town hall should, in turn, make all other structures frail and weak, greatly increasing the chance that you get to their resources, and 100%ing them.

    2. No risk? No reward.

    Although a penalty was imposed for players who have town hall level 9, the penalty is pretty small, and TH9 does not represent the actual potential power of a town. The actual power of a town on defense is the sum of it's structures (including walls). This means it's completely possible thanks to the magic of gems to have a TH9 with level 1 cannons. Therefore, calculating potential strength by town hall is incorrect.

    On attack:

    Power level should be a mathematical equation based on the levels, amounts, and types of troops dropped, including consumables such as spells, and heroes.

    On defense:

    Power level should be a mathematical equation based on the levels of the defense, taking into account levels of things like walls, traps present on the board, and DEFINITELY taking into account what's sitting in the clan hall (more on that later).

    If the power balance equation sweepingly favors one side (and it often can, as there is a certain point where success for one side becomes mathematically impossible), then penalties on how many resources you can take should be handed out. So if Farmy McLameFace comes along with his horde of level 6 archers and dragons with rage spells

    3. This is a game about risk and reward. There needs to be no situations where there is no risk. And no situations where there is no reward.

    This is a big one that affects all players in the game. There are simply too many towns that either have no resources to take, or are completely out of our league and can't be pushed at all. Meanwhile we spend thousands and thousands of gold, and far too much time, looking for a matchup that doesn't completely stink. In many cases we have to settle for just breaking even on the cost of troops. The league bonus per match is sort of starting on the right track, but as it is, what you gain for winning doesn't even come close to the cost of gold required to search for an appropriate opponent. Some kind of resource pooling should go on where a reserve on each town is kept for enemy raid purposes, which cannot be touched by the player for the purposes of building or training armies, so that they remain a viable target for raids, and don't get a "pauper's shield". This pool should fill first, or at least tax from the income from successful raids.

    4. Having a Clan shouldn't be required.

    Currently, the way Clans work it is pretty much required that you be in one to be competitively viable. I would like to see unclanned players receive some sort of recompense ability. I think that unclanned players should always be able to see what is in an enemy's clan hall, so that they can offset the surprise (which is often ridiculous, when your level 3 archers and barbs are met by some twink's level 3 donated dragon) as a tradeoff for their inability to counter with their own donated troops.

    5. Paying to progress shouldn't be required.

    This is probably the most important and resonating idea that needs to be observed in the development of Clash of Clans. If players feel like they're stuck, in this case, unable to gain the resources for necessary unit and structure upgrades due to predation by far more powerful players, they will leave. And they'll take their potential sales with them.

    Well, that's that. Don't bother trying to flame me, I still got 6 hours left on my shield. In the meantime, maybe if I can arrange my decorations in such a manner as to say "please, pass me by" the farmers will actually allow me to get to 2.25 million elixir for my next archer upgrade without tossing a dozen dragons on me like they've been doing.
    say this again when you will be at town hown 9 trying to evolve x- bow and town hown...

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    ill make sure to 3 star you when i come across you its either farming or gemming in this game if you want to whine go ahead but all i can tell you is nobody cares. oh and why is your townhall outside your walls if your not a farmer bro seriously?

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