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    Tiggs, thank you for the background explanation. It helps clarify the chaos that is currently being portrayed around the World. I do feel sorry for the small business owners and their employees; innocent victims of an environment caused by greedy and power-seeking politicians, it would seem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggerr129 View Post
    Thanks everybody. Putting my feet up after a morning of food prep. Hey, at least I had the forethought to delegate bathroom cleaning to Mr. Mike.

    We are safe in my part of town, but the university my son goes to is right in the thick of a secondary protest. Our city handles these things better than the county and the county is where most of the troubles are.

    We are in a strange relationship with our county. A long time ago when the county was mostly farm land and the city was thriving, the two governments divorced each other. Now the city is land locked and not as wealthy as the county. But after the initial exodus of well to do folks from the city, the less fortunate saw what they had and started moving from the city. Now we have so many tiny municipalities surrounding our larger city that things are fragmented. There are some tiny towns run by the privileged, but occupied by the poor. That's what the real issue is once you get past the racial thing. The poor, yes mostly but not entirely black, are preyed upon by the mostly white politicians who need revenue to run their tiny town halls and police forces. Poor folks don't pay enough in taxes so they get revenue from traffic stops. I never knew it was against the law to accidentally keep your high beams on, but in some parts of the county that's a 250.00 fine, plus court costs. The most we ever payed for running a red light was $100. And that we mailed in. So the protesters have a legitimate gripe, they just don't know how to fix it, so they riot and loot and burn,but they are burning their own town and the businesses are small family owned types that are owned and employ their own neighbors. It is sad.

    But anyway, it is already snowing here. We should soon have at least an inch. My oldest is on his flight ad will land this evening. Most of my sides for tomorrow are put together to be cooked tomorrow and my pumpkin pies and pecan cheesecake are finished. So after a small break, I'll put the finishing touches on the cleaning and make pizzas for supper tonight.
    Thanks for watching my farm and animals. See you all soon.
    Well explained Tigg! To read more about the root of the legitimate feelings of oppression and injustice in the county, see here for an EXCELLENT article by the Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...-from-poverty/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GladeMaid View Post
    Tiggs, thank you for the background explanation. It helps clarify the chaos that is currently being portrayed around the World. I do feel sorry for the small business owners and their employees; innocent victims of an environment caused by greedy and power-seeking politicians, it would seem.

    Wishing you all the best for your family gathering.

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    Not greedy power-seeking politicals, but tiny municipalities who have few options to pay for their city responsibilities except for traffic fines and petty offenses, the burden of which falls mostly on the poor residents of these communities. And racism, of course, long-standing and institutional in its scope so that the majority populations feel preyed on by a system designed to wring them of dollars very efficiently and with often drastic consquences.

    It it is also part of the modern American anathema to new or raised taxes. As a former elected official myself, I found repeatedly that people will pay for services they want, but politicals are afraid to raise taxes because that will be used against them in the next election. So you look for other ways to raise necessary revenue to pay for what people want (parks and libraries) and what they NEED (public safety, economic development, essential functions of government). When the tax base is minuscule or your population is poor, fees and fines are an important revenue source to pay the city's expenses. The challenge is to make that system fair -- in at louis county it is NOT fair.

    See the article i linked in the previous post for a better explanation -- one of the real issues is what to do about the micro cities in st louis county. To their credit, the Ferguson MO city council has recently changed their municipal court and fine structure to end the city's reliance on those fees and fines to fund the city. But Dissolving the micro-cities and folding them all into the larger county government will be a difficult political and economic problem, since all these cities were legally established decades ago. It will be interesting to see how it gets solved.
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    Very interesting article, Perky (although enough to make me want to scream with the injustice of it all!). Utterly appalling. But thank you 😊

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    Thanks Perky that was a good article and is now on my facebook page. It will be hard for these folks to let go of the gravy train, they have going. 12 hours of work a month nets some of these men more money than a full time job in a decent city gets them. And when it's just a part of their income, they won't let it go easily. The article put it this way. These folks will have to vote themselves out of existence. I lived in one of these tiny towns right after high school and it was really just a subdivision. No businesses, just houses. Very quiet nice houses, but that was over 40 years ago. It's not so nice now.

    I don't think I'll live to see them fix it, but it would be nice. I live in the actual city and while everyone thinks the city is bad and the county is great, they usually don't mean this part of the county. We don't have the same problems with revenue, and even the small demonstrations in the city are much more peaceful. Our police chief is smart enough to close the street and treat the protests like a parade permit. He allows them to do their thing, gives them an escort and then they go home. Ferguson is too arrogant to allow this. The people know that all they have to do to annoy the cops is head into the street. They get arrested and within an hour they are back on the street. No consequences, just bad feelings. They are rightfully angry but feel they have nothing to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerkyCox View Post
    Not greedy power-seeking politicals, but tiny municipalities who have few options to pay for their city responsibilities except for traffic fines and petty offenses, the burden of which falls mostly on the poor residents of these communities. And racism, of course, long-standing and institutional in its scope so that the majority populations feel preyed on by a system designed to wring them of dollars very efficiently and with often drastic consquences.

    It it is also part of the modern American anathema to new or raised taxes. As a former elected official myself, I found repeatedly that people will pay for services they want, but politicals are afraid to raise taxes because that will be used against them in the next election. So you look for other ways to raise necessary revenue to pay for what people want (parks and libraries) and what they NEED (public safety, economic development, essential functions of government). When the tax base is minuscule or your population is poor, fees and fines are an important revenue source to pay the city's expenses. The challenge is to make that system fair -- in at louis county it is NOT fair.

    See the article i linked in the previous post for a better explanation -- one of the real issues is what to do about the micro cities in st louis county. To their credit, the Ferguson MO city council has recently changed their municipal court and fine structure to end the city's reliance on those fees and fines to fund the city. But Dissolving the micro-cities and folding them all into the larger county government will be a difficult political and economic problem, since all these cities were legally established decades ago. It will be interesting to see how it gets solved.
    Thanks Perky, I have just read the article and it is very interesting. Sad and frustrating too. On our side of the world we see the news footage but no background or explanations. Thank you for posting the link so that we are better informed.
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