Loot: The ULTIMATE handbook. (With pictures. YAY!)

[LachNessMeownster]

thanksfor this thread, and the work you put into this!

yet...you spent weeks in every league, but only mention three raids per league...I think I'm getting something wrong there. How much time did you actually spend in each league?

I never post in loot threads, but I feel this is not a loot thread, more a league experience thread, so here goes:

My last visit to sub200 was a month ago, I stayed there for two weeks and found it to be awful, espescially in comparison to barching in lower crystal regions.
Atm I'm in master three and have been there for two weeks and am planing to stay until december. I am working on my heroes, and it's a good place to be for that, however, getting less de per raid but more raids in shorter time in crystal feels like the better strategy. When searching I find next to no cheap snipes, and only one TH9 or premmie TH10 in about 20 nexts all others are pretty well developed even,axed TH10s!!
I am forced to raid against infernos, but it works with looning...but if I do not get the league bonus, I am loosing elix rather rapidly.

TS

Ahhh, I can see where that is confusing. I did raid more than that, mostly in champ and sub 200. The other raids were more as I was dropping down from champ and trying to find sweet spots. Apologies for not making it all too clear.

In regards to sub 200, it can be extremely painful as im sure you're aware to keep cups down. Me personally, I use bam because its quick and effective. I dont know whether the recent "loot crisis" has caused more people to drop to sub 200, hence why they are there now, and not when you were.

But im certainly intrigued by it.

[aTh]

very nice explanation lach!!!!!!!

[hotshot007]

I visited sub-200 with my mini. I rarely play him other than to experiment with something. Can't say that I found much loot. Must have stayed there for about 3-4hrs, made some loot but nothing as spectacular as everyone said. I went down to as low as 150, but nope. Is it timezone related? Did I just go down at the wrong time?

My main, he stays in gold 3/2, and I keep finding loot. I must mention here though that I am from India, and in a timezone that's pretty much the exact opposite of what US runs on, so maybe I am just lucky enough to logon at a timezone when traffic is less, and hence a better match-making? Pure speculation, but the few times that I do raid at my light night time, i find the loot to be much less.


Coming to nexting, I generally consider anything less than 50 nexts as okay. This is not to say that I always find loot by that time, but on an average I do get something over 250k combined resources with that much nexting, which I consider to be good loot.

I have never made the journey to even Crystal yet, but the few times I ventured near it, I found DE to be plentiful.


Kudos on that Galadon hit. Did he revenge you back?

[LachNessMeownster]

I visited sub-200 with my mini. I rarely play him other than to experiment with something. Can't say that I found much loot. Must have stayed there for about 3-4hrs, made some loot but nothing as spectacular as everyone said. I went down to as low as 150, but nope. Is it timezone related? Did I just go down at the wrong time?

My main, he stays in gold 3/2, and I keep finding loot. I must mention here though that I am from India, and in a timezone that's pretty much the exact opposite of what US runs on, so maybe I am just lucky enough to logon at a timezone when traffic is less, and hence a better match-making? Pure speculation, but the few times that I do raid at my light night time, i find the loot to be much less.


Coming to nexting, I generally consider anything less than 50 nexts as okay. This is not to say that I always find loot by that time, but on an average I do get something over 250k combined resources with that much nexting, which I consider to be good loot.

I have never made the journey to even Crystal yet, but the few times I ventured near it, I found DE to be plentiful.


Kudos on that Galadon hit. Did he revenge you back?

It could be, I tend to raid the around the same time every day. I wont stop my experimenting with this, i just wanted to get the thread up and running, and I will add more to it as I go. For sure I shall keep trying different things around sub 200 and Ill let you know

Haha, thanks. And no, he didnt revenge me.

[BoardGuest808888]

I'm not sure I understand, so the options are either -200 or 2600+ trophies ? And nothing in between ? I told one of my clan mate who just upgrade to th 9 (from a maxed th 8) to go to crystal 1. Thing is, he got destroyed 80% everytime he logged off.

[LachNessMeownster]

I'm not sure I understand, so the options are either -200 or 2600+ trophies ? And nothing in between ? I told one of my clan mate who just upgrade to th 9 (from a maxed th 8) to go to crystal 1. Thing is, he got destroyed 80% everytime he logged off.

Its hard, being a town hall 10 to know whats going to work for a town hall 8. (been about 19 months since i was a th8) But, I have asked clan mates, global, watched the loot threads on here, and by no means are they the only options. They were just the most profitable ones I found. Sort of like how i mentioned everyone has different expectations. Me personally, i wouldn't next 50 times. But, if people are willing to do that in gold league to find those rare collector bases. Well then, awesome! But, its hard to comment as so much has changed since i was a new th9. I did my best going from what others said, but there are bound to be different views and opinions. and that's okay

[Eash]

Loot, can’t live without it, can’t live… Well… Without it.
This thread, due to its size, will be split into two parts. Part 1, will be for the people who don’t mind reading a long, but detailed thread. Part 2, will be a short, condensed version of the same thing. But it will only be bullet points. It’s for either the people who skip to the end, or have literacy problems/don’t like reading. If that’s you, scroll down to part 2.

Now this thread is for discussion, feedback and learning. Under no circumstance are people to insult me, or anyone. You are allowed to have different opinions to what is said. But, no crude, mean or derogatory remarks are to be made.

PART 1:

Welcome to yet another loot thread. Before we get into things, according to the search function, 500+ threads have been created with the word loot mixed with any of the following words: bad, sucks, horrible, worst. The search caps at 500 results, so the number could be significantly higher.




For months, people have been screaming at how bad the loot is. The replies come from 3 kinds of people. The, “Yes! Loot Sucks!” group (group 1). The, “Great more people who don’t know how to farm” group (group 2). And the, “Loots not great, but it’s not awful either” group (group 3). And all 3 present very valid arguments. At one point, it got to the stage where a mod, (an awesome one at that) had to create a sticky, because the forums were just overflowing with loot threads. It had over 8,000 replies, making it one of the biggest threads in forum history.


There are even groups dedicated to discussing how bad the loot is.


So what does this all say? Something, is not right. What that something is, we shall discuss further. But ultimately, one group. Is correct. The aim of this thread is to hopefully get down to that inevitable fact.
The poll below shows the majority of people find that loot is bad.

This however, is a contradiction in itself. Every single clasher has a different standard for what is considered to be acceptable loot. If one person is happy with 100K, but 20 people are only happy with 200K, does that one person’s opinion then not count?
What this means, is that we can’t have a single poll to determine whether loot is good.
It simply is impossible. If one person in all of CoC is finding good loot, then automatically they win. Because it means loot is out there. In saying that, it’s true, loot isn’t what it once was. But, neither is the game. HEAPS has changed. For example, total loot people are stealing has decreased. But the league bonuses has increased hugely.

Now many of group 2 would argue that people are in a league too low, and they should push up. They might also argue that the army composition they are using is not suitable for farming (example, gowipe probably isn’t the most cost effective for farming).

Group 1 would respond by saying not everyone can farm in champion’s league. It takes lots of practise. And some people, simply don’t have the time. Also very true. Speaking as someone who has farmed in champ, I can tell you 2 things,
A: The loot is incredible.
B: It is VERY time consuming.
For hardcore farmers, pushing to a higher league might be the solution, if you can stay online for long periods of time, chances are this is the place for you. But, for casual players who don’t have the time, it presents a bit of an issue.

Side note: I would not expect a town hall 7, 8 or even 9 to push to champ. 2200 might be your peak for pushing, but I guarantee the loot bonus higher up is worth it for any level of town hall.

The alternative, is to sacrifice that juicy league bonus, and go purely for resources. (No doubt some of you are screaming at me while reading this, saying, “duh! That’s what we have been asking for.”) So, where is that loot then? Is it in all those inactive bases we used to find? Or is it in a certain trophy range? Well, the answer is both. Those in-actives are so rare to find now, it’s nearly time to give up on the thought of them. In fact, it IS time to give up on them.
I first came up with the idea for this thread a little over a month ago. And, I have been working on it since that day. Not writing it as such, but thinking about it, experimenting with trophy ranges and following every loot related thread on the forums.
When I say experimenting with trophy ranges, I mean I have spent a week in every trophy range. Things will vary for others as I am a town hall 10. But, what I can tell you, is where some sweet spots are.

SUB 200:
This league brings no loot bonus or sparkly shield, but what I have found, is a HUGE amount of storage raids. The trick is keeping your trophies low, in some aspects, I found it harder than maintaining cups at 4,000, just because every time you log off you win a bunch of defences. Now, when I say sub 200, I mean 0-199. If you are at 200, 201, 257 or whatever. You will NOT find them. You MUST be under 200. Here is just three raids, I didn’t next more than 7 times on any of them.




BRONZE LEAGUE/SILVER LEAGUE:
A town hall 7+ should stay away from these leagues. I did 3 raids here, and the average search was 83 next’s for a raid more than 100K. However, if you are a town hall 2-6 and can make it up to here, then by all means. You should find some juicy bases.

GOLD LEAGUE:
My 3 raids in gold were interesting. Obviously the league bonus is worth peanuts, so no help from that. I did however find one of the coveted abandoned bases, of which I stole 380K, and the best part was it was on the 4^th search. My second and third raids however. 211 next’s between the two of them, still made 150K+ on both of them, but is it worth it for the time searching? I’ll leave that up to you to decide.


CRYSTAL LEAGUE:
Whoop! Finally, league bonus starts to become worthwhile. It’s still not heaven, but if you use a simple bam army, the league bonus covers the army cost. My 3 raids here were not awful. But not something that will be told around a campfire 100 years from now. 108 next’s between the 3 raids, all 150k+. I can live with that, and I’m sure most town hall 9’s+ could.
However, from observations this seems to be the sweet spot for town hall 7’s and 8’s.

MASTER LEAGUE:
Dark Elixir. EVERYWHERE! No matter what town hall you are, if you’re in a jam, and need DE quick, this is the place to be. In fact, just searching for DE seems to be effective for farming gold too, the league bonus covers army cost in elixir, plus, you get a little extra gold in your pocket. Town hall 8 and under, you will more than likely have your base crushed here. By all means, if you are one of those people who can stay on a long time, then a horrible defence can be made up in a few attacks, and then every attack you do after puts you in the positive, but be warned, it’s not easy.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE:
A sexy red badge, a league bonus of 180k, what can go wrong!? It’s not easy to maintain cups, but it’s definitely worth it if you can. I managed to farm 10 lavas in one day in champs using barch. Below is an example of the loot in champs. Now that 60k gold raid… Big whoop! But then add an additional 180K gold from the bonus. And suddenly it’s not so bad.
If you can farm in champ, do it.




And, this concludes part 1. Thanks to those who stuck it out and read the whole thing, I hope this sheds some light on the "loot crisis", whether you agree with what I have said or not. Please discuss your reasons, and we can have a civil discussion about why we think what we think.

I dont care about your thread, but, YOU ATTACKED GALADON!!!

[LachNessMeownster]

I dont care about your thread, but, YOU ATTACKED GALADON!!!

Thanks... I guess...

[Lloopy14]

My main, he stays in gold 3/2, and I keep finding loot. I must mention here though that I am from India, and in a timezone that's pretty much the exact opposite of what US runs on, so maybe I am just lucky enough to logon at a timezone when traffic is less, and hence a better match-making? Pure speculation, but the few times that I do raid at my light night time, i find the loot to be much less.

I find loot to be better starting at around 10pm in the UK for a couple of hours. I would agree that time zone has something to do with the loot available.

[Eash]

I visited sub-200 with my mini. I rarely play him other than to experiment with something. Can't say that I found much loot. Must have stayed there for about 3-4hrs, made some loot but nothing as spectacular as everyone said. I went down to as low as 150, but nope. Is it timezone related? Did I just go down at the wrong time?

My main, he stays in gold 3/2, and I keep finding loot. I must mention here though that I am from India, and in a timezone that's pretty much the exact opposite of what US runs on, so maybe I am just lucky enough to logon at a timezone when traffic is less, and hence a better match-making? Pure speculation, but the few times that I do raid at my light night time, i find the loot to be much less.


Coming to nexting, I generally consider anything less than 50 nexts as okay. This is not to say that I always find loot by that time, but on an average I do get something over 250k combined resources with that much nexting, which I consider to be good loot.

I have never made the journey to even Crystal yet, but the few times I ventured near it, I found DE to be plentiful.


Kudos on that Galadon hit. Did he revenge you back?

How come, with me too being an Indian and farming did you find good loot? I take it all!