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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnifico View Post
    HAIL THE BEAR EMPIRE!!! HAIL MIGHTY THOR!!!

    Mike what are the duties of the BIG MOO can you give us an example please.
    The Big Moo is like the overall leader of all the Imperial Bear Empire clans.

    The Big Moo is to the Imperial Empire what a Guardian is to a clan. The Guardian looks after one clan. The Big Moo looks after a group of clans. The Big Moo looks after the Empire, protects it, guides it, consults with senior members, and makes proposals that affects its future. The Big Moo ensures that the Empire remains unified, works together as a team and ensures that the principles of the Empire are upheld.

    However, it an elected position with regular elections held every month. so the Big Moo must pay very close attention to the opinions of senior clan members if he/she wishes to retain that position.

    Nor does the Big Moo work alone. No. For there is an Imperial council where ideas and issues can be discussed.

    The duty of the Big Moo is to lead the Imperial Bear Empire.

    This includes:

    Looking at individual clan numbers and deciding if a clan needs reinforcement. If it does then asking leaders of other clans to help reinforce that clan.

    Looking at the numbers of Elders in each clan and recommending an increase in Elder numbers if needed.

    Looking at overall clan numbers and deciding if its time for a new bear clan to be formed. If so then asking Leaders of each clan to contribute a number of members towards the formation of that new clan.

    Going "Moo!" at times. Loudly.

    There are other duties, making suggestions and recommendations, visiting clans, directly helping new clans, setting up recruitment threads, looking for new Guardians, building alliances with non-Bear clans, throwing lumps of wood at KC99 and kicking him in the shins, bumping Bear recruitment threads, plotting, planning, scheming, and drinking more mead than anyone else. Hic!

    But most importantly is consulting with senior Bear members. That means actively discussing issues with Guardians, Leaders and SAAs, listening to them, encouraging them to talk to each other, to cooperate and to work together for the benefit of all bear clans.

    Lets have a specific and current example.

    Right now lets pretend the Big Moo surveys the clans. At the moment only three clans officially belong within the Imperial Bear Empire. They are:

    Riverbears
    : members 46, elders 10, new members 4.

    So Riverbears is just over capacity, but has four new members. There are sufficient elders at 22%.
    So the Big Moo concludes that Riverbears is doing just dandy.

    Icebears: members 48, elders 9, new members, new members 6 (not counting two returning members)

    So Icebears is over capacity but since it has 6 new members and becasue we know the attrition rate on new members can be as high as 75%, this is not a concern. There is a elder to total member percentage of 19%. This is a tiny bit low. Elder numbers should ideally float somewhere between 20% to 33%.

    Thunderbears: members 41, elders 7, new members 7 (not counting returning members).

    So Thunderbears is under capacity. the Elder percentage is 17%, a bit low. With seven new members it is likely that Thundebears may lose some by the end of the week.

    Since its mid week the Big Moo is not overly concerned. Therefore the Big Moo does nothing, but notes that Thunderbears may need reinforcement at the beginning of next week. Since elder numbers in Ice and Thunder are on the low side the Big Moo asks the Guardians and Leaders of those two clans to keep an eye out for any potential elders that meet our criteria. The Big Moo takes into account the fact that Icebears has only recently recovered from the trauma of the Civil War, and that Thunderbears is still relatively new. Therefore there simply may not not be any eligible persons for promotion to elder.

    The Big Moo decides that if by the end of the week Thunderbears is under 40 members then to ask the leader of Icebears and Rivebears to contribute reinforcements. This might be just one or two members each, whatever that is required, within reason, to bring it up to around 40 members.

    The Big Moo would then consult with the Guardians and see if they have any reasonable objections to this plan, and to listen to any opinions and suggestions that they might have in return.

    Once the discussion is over and a plan is agreed upon the Big Moo goes MOO! (very loudly) and smashes open a barrel of mead to drink. The Big Moo is not known for sharing so the Guardians may need to resort to force in order to fill their skull cups with delicious frothy mead.
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    With only one day to go before nominations close, there have been no nominations for the position of the Big Moo.

    This brings us to any interesting question. If there are no nominations what shall we do? Is there life with no Moo?

    Also it reveals a deficiency in the system I proposed: In a situation where there are no nominations, what is to stop someone holding off to the last minute and then sneaking in their nomination just before nominations close, therefore winning by default? Would that be fair, reasonable and transparent? Obviously not.

    Sigh.

    Okay, so I propose the election be cancelled because of this deficiency and that for the meantime there be no Big Moo while we sort out some better arrangement.

    Instead the Imperial Bear Empire will be run between the three guardians of River, Ice and Thunder. That is Karthi, Rowan and myself.

    For your consideration:

    The Big Moo must not be a popularity contest. How do we avoid it becoming so? How do we qualify our candidates other than insisting they must be eligible for the Imperial council?

    Should we perhaps consider a completely different method and simply state that all eligible members of the Imperial Council are also candidates for the Big Moo position and are thus automatically nominated unless they state otherwise?

    How do we keep this simple and effective? We dont want it to be complicated or time consuming. We want a quick and efficient method of electing one person who is responsible for guiding the Empire and who is trusted by the senior clan members to act in a reasonable and fair manner.

    Lets be clear, none all of us will continue to play CoC forever. For some of us that might be weeks, for others it may be months. Perhaps a year or more. Some of us will cut back on our activity, especially as we approach the limits of free to play. Some of us will simply quit and move onto other games.

    However for many of our newer members CoC is still fresh and still has many many more months of potential play, if not years, left in it. The systems we create now, if just, if fair, if robust in nature and amenable to change, to ensure the survival of our Empire, and the great, fun clan environments generated for the benfit of our members, should surely survive after the last of the orginal bear members have left.

    Would it not be great to one day log back in after an absence of a year or more and still see the Bear clans flourishing, still upholding the principles of fairness and justice? Would it not be great to listen in and hear the power of their modern HAILS resonate with the distant memories of our past HAILS and know that with each passing "generation" of bear member our culture lives on a separate living thing that evolves and has an existence of its own?

    Look at our clans. They are more than just one person.They are more than all the members with us today. The Imperial Bear Empire is not merely a collection of personalities. It is a collection of ideas. A way of doing things. A sense of pride. A sense of purpose. And that what makes us different. That what makes us unbeatable. We are greater than the sum of our parts. We are a culture. A consciousness that is passed through the ages. And with that we shall never die.

    HAIL!

    HAIL!

    HAIL!

    BY THE GODS!

    HAIL THE IMPERIAL BEAR EMPIRE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebears View Post
    With only one day to go before nominations close, there have been no nominations for the position of the Big Moo.

    This brings us to any interesting question. If there are no nominations what shall we do? Is there life with no Moo?

    Also it reveals a deficiency in the system I proposed: In a situation where there are no nominations, what is to stop someone holding off to the last minute and then sneaking in their nomination just before nominations close, therefore winning by default? Would that be fair, reasonable and transparent? Obviously not.

    Sigh.

    Okay, so I propose the election be cancelled because of this deficiency and that for the meantime there be no Big Moo while we sort out some better arrangement.

    Instead the Imperial Bear Empire will be run between the three guardians of River, Ice and Thunder. That is Karthi, Rowan and myself.

    For your consideration:

    The Big Moo must not be a popularity contest. How do we avoid it becoming so? How do we qualify our candidates other than insisting they must be eligible for the Imperial council?

    Should we perhaps consider a completely different method and simply state that all eligible members of the Imperial Council are also candidates for the Big Moo position and are thus automatically nominated unless they state otherwise?

    How do we keep this simple and effective? We dont want it to be complicated or time consuming. We want a quick and efficient method of electing one person who is responsible for guiding the Empire and who is trusted by the senior clan members to act in a reasonable and fair manner.

    Lets be clear, none all of us will continue to play CoC forever. For some of us that might be weeks, for others it may be months. Perhaps a year or more. Some of us will cut back on our activity, especially as we approach the limits of free to play. Some of us will simply quit and move onto other games.

    However for many of our newer members CoC is still fresh and still has many many more months of potential play, if not years, left in it. The systems we create now, if just, if fair, if robust in nature and amenable to change, to ensure the survival of our Empire, and the great, fun clan environments generated for the benfit of our members, should surely survive after the last of the orginal bear members have left.

    Would it not be great to one day log back in after an absence of a year or more and still see the Bear clans flourishing, still upholding the principles of fairness and justice? Would it not be great to listen in and hear the power of their modern HAILS resonate with the distant memories of our past HAILS and know that with each passing "generation" of bear member our culture lives on a separate living thing that evolves and has an existence of its own?

    Look at our clans. They are more than just one person.They are more than all the members with us today. The Imperial Bear Empire is not merely a collection of personalities. It is a collection of ideas. A way of doing things. A sense of pride. A sense of purpose. And that what makes us different. That what makes us unbeatable. We are greater than the sum of our parts. We are a culture. A consciousness that is passed through the ages. And with that we shall never die.

    HAIL!

    HAIL!

    HAIL!

    BY THE GODS!

    HAIL THE IMPERIAL BEAR EMPIRE!

    burp!
    Mike the concept is great but implementing it is the stickler. Putting every trusted elders and leader hat in the ring seems like a good plan an those that don't want to be nominated can decline. I don't know what is entailed in the duties of the BIG MOO. So I wouldn't be a good candidate but there are heaps of remarkable members in our clans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnifico View Post
    Mike the concept is great but implementing it is the stickler. Putting every trusted elders and leader hat in the ring seems like a good plan an those that don't want to be nominated can decline. I don't know what is entailed in the duties of the BIG MOO. So I wouldn't be a good candidate but there are heaps of remarkable members in our clans.
    This copied from page four of this thread. It is a list of senior members who would be eligible to vote on the Imperial Council

    Guardians

    Karthi (Riverbears)
    Rowan (Icebears)
    mike$ (Thunderbears)

    Leaders

    Nic Cage (Icebears)
    Summerstarter ( Riverbears)

    (note that mike$ is currently leader of Thunderbears and Guardian of Thunderbears)


    SAAs (Sergeant at Arms)

    Thunderbears

    Manu/Ironhead
    456
    MeganMM
    Mags

    Icebears

    KC99

    Riverbears

    Gman
    Gandolf


    If the automatic nomination system was adopted then all of the above would be nominated to stand for election as the Big Moo, unless they stated they didn't want to.
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    hail the bear empire!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebears View Post
    This copied from page four of this thread. It is a list of senior members who would be eligible to vote on the Imperial Council

    Guardians

    Karthi (Riverbears)
    Rowan (Icebears)
    mike$ (Thunderbears)

    Leaders

    Nic Cage (Icebears)
    Summerstarter ( Riverbears)

    (note that mike$ is currently leader of Thunderbears and Guardian of Thunderbears)


    SAAs (Sergeant at Arms)

    Thunderbears

    Manu/Ironhead
    456
    MeganMM
    Mags

    Icebears

    KC99

    Riverbears

    Gman
    Gandolf


    If the automatic nomination system was adopted then all of the above would be nominated to stand for election as the Big Moo, unless they stated they didn't want to.
    I would like to withdraw from the nomination list as I'm just too old and tired but thanks

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    I am asking for permission to transfer to the RIVERBEARS please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnifico View Post
    I am asking for permission to transfer to the RIVERBEARS please.
    Absolutely. You have done more than enough and for that we thank you. To honour your departure I have ordered a parade. The streets shall be covered with roses so that as you leave your path shall be covered in pristine hues of shining colour, as befits your bright personality. From the street lamps shall be hung the skulls of our many vanquished foes, to mark the destruction you have wrought upon our enemies. The gathered warriors of Thunderbears shall shoot an endless stream of flaming arrows high into the sky, to bless your leaving and illuminate your journey.

    We shall shout HAIL! HAIL THE MIGHTY MAGS! and the ground shall shake at the sound of our voices.

    We shall also have several crates full of eye patches available for those of us who do not manage to dodge the arrows as they descend.
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    Cool Hail mags!

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnifico View Post
    I am asking for permission to transfer to the RIVERBEARS please.
    It was fun drinking with you here in the Land of Thunder... I'll buy you a drink at River in a week. Tell everyone I said Hi and my vacation is going great!

    -Summer

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