PROOF: That league shields can tell you how good somebody is

[dahimi]

I have to say that I'm amazed at how much discussion this level thing has generated when there are much more significant topics for discussion out there such as game balance, the devolution of base design, and the loot nerf.

One would think.

[zachUVA]

I have to say that I'm amazed at how much discussion this level thing has generated when there are much more significant topics for discussion out there such as game balance, the devolution of base design, and the loot nerf.

I think the loot nerf has had plenty of (mostly non-constuctive) discussion. The fix there is simple and likely to happen.

[zachUVA]

Holding a view that is contrary to yours or even many is not acting as Supercell's PR. I see this sentiment all of the time.

"Oh you agree with X changes, you must be working for Supercell."

Why not take his post at face value instead of assuming there must be some sort of ulterior motive?

I happen to agree with him in this instance. How much time have we spent on the forum, when the subject of matchmaking comes up, explaining how bad of an indicator level is for relative base strength? Whether you like it or not, the league badges are a good indicator. They just aren't great in the crystal and below levels. Few performance based clans are going to turn down people with master badges.

Wait for Supercell to tweak the bonuses. You do realize they are eventually going to make them worthwhile right? I know this because the developers at Supercell are not stupid. There is no way they are going to roll out a feature like this and not use it to push people to gain trophies. It makes a ton of sense for them to roll the feature out with small bonuses, see how the players behave and then start adjusting them. Given some time, those league badges are going to be more meaningful than level ever was or could be.

Now look at the pro level arguments. They boil down to:

1. Our clan has a minimum level requirement and this makes it hard to recruit.

If you are in this camp, I suggest you consider rethinking that stance. Again because level in this game is meaningless. The forum has collectively argued long and hard about this. You are actively weakening this argument. If you want to ensure minimum standards, require that they have specific benchmark items. For example all skull walls and lvl6 archers. I would never recruit on the basis of level alone because again level is meaningless. This means I would evaluate the base of every single applicant anyway.

2. I can't see people's level in global or clan chat.

What difference does it make? Most of the time you don't need to see it, and if for some reason you feel you must it is two taps away.

HB holds an even less extreme view than I. I do not support the photoshopped level/league badge thing. Why? Because I want to see level leave the game entirely. It is a completely meaningless number. It always has been. It always will be. I firmly believe that if Supercell had never added it to the game, there would not be tons of posts asking for experience and level to be added; at least not using the current system which has ensured it to be a completely useless number.

Adding experience and a level indicator was a mistake. One that Supercell is slowly correcting. They removed it from the battle log and they have removed it from chat. Hopefully they will soon remove it from the game.

Level has always been a rough indicator of base stength and for 95% of bases, it works just fine. As of now, the league badges are only accurate for a very small minority of players, most of whom are big spenders and do not resemble the average user. Even when the leagues are fixed, the badges are going to be no better of an indication of base strength than are levels. Plus, the comprise proposed doesn't harm anything and would provide users the option of which to use. These discussions have made it quite clear that a sizeable population still wants levels in the game and removing it like this, while not game changing, was premature and unnecessary.

[Opihi]

I love it how everyone calls hb a troll just because he displays his own view and backs it up with his own reasoning...

so you people are saying you wouldn't accept a player if he had a champion badge? even if he had a purple badge and or a level next to his name you would still click to visit his base... from experience pre update seeing a level 70+ is not an automatic acceptance to our clan... most are premature th 9 anyway... so why does having a level next to our name even matter when we have to visit their base anyway? is it a pride thing to show off how many hours/gems/donations/treeremovals you have put in? having a badge instead of a number next to your name shows simply what hb had stated in his OP and continued to say throughout this thread... I don't understand all the hate in this thread directed at not only hb but people who agree with him... maybe you haters need to walk around with your age on your head so people in real life can decide if they want to converse with you... or better yet post the age of of your maturity

[dahimi]

Level has always been a rough indicator of base stength and for 95% of bases, it works just fine. As of now, the league badges are only accurate for a very small minority of players, most of whom are big spenders and do not resemble the average user. Even when the leagues are fixed, the badges are going to be no better of an indication of base strength than are levels. Plus, the comprise proposed doesn't harm anything and would provide users the option of which to use. These discussions have made it quite clear that a sizeable population still wants levels in the game and removing it like this, while not game changing, was premature and unnecessary.

What do you use them for? For any serious consideration concerning attacks and base evaluation they are useless. I have argued this time and time again with regard to match making and you have backed me up.

Is all of this argument really boiling down to having a huge problem with two device taps?

The compromise does harm something. It is a step backwards. Remove it from chat now...remove it entirely tomorrow.

All of this is detracting from actual issues that have a powerful effect on gameplay.

[denial]

Holding a view that is contrary to yours or even many is not acting as Supercell's PR. I see this sentiment all of the time.

"Oh you agree with X changes, you must be working for Supercell."

Why not take his post at face value instead of assuming there must be some sort of ulterior motive?

Ok clearly, you haven't read his/hers posts and i know someones motives from their writing. I dont mind and care if you wanna protect someone who is Overly BIASED towards Supercell...

I happen to agree with him in this instance. How much time have we spent on the forum, when the subject of matchmaking comes up, explaining how bad of an indicator level is for relative base strength? Whether you like it or not, the league badges are a good indicator.

Did i say it isn't? It definitely IS... BUT there is a but ...


Look at the clan per example: Bonbee is a cat / ravimental

And tell if this isn't a major flaw in the league system...


Base Strength doesn't always Equals to Maxed bases and maxed walls....

Have you ever trophy hunted Dahimi? ..... you would be surprised by the quantity of premature Bases, who only gems Camps / Troops .... Isn't this a major Flaw?


And i am still surprised ....

...But why the need to remove the Level so much.... and in such Hurry....? yeah i know Gems... duh.

Wait for Supercell to tweak the bonuses. You do realize they are eventually going to make them worthwhile right? I know this because the developers at Supercell are not stupid. There is no way they are going to roll out a feature like this and not use it to push people to gain trophies. It makes a ton of sense for them to roll the feature out with small bonuses, see how the players behave and then start adjusting them. Given some time, those league badges are going to be more meaningful than level ever was or could be.

Re-Read my feedback a bit:

a)

Introducing Leagues: compete in your own division!

Nice try ... to Re-work Trophies, but as i predicted no need to rush for trophies as the incentives are still low :X

...( its like put a lipstick on a pig ( with colours haha Gold Puple Black red) and try to entice more people in it ....)

...Still i see trophies as a break from long farming sessions ...

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...CK-here/page11

b)

...Besides all the negative feedback .... It's free loot... and They are beta testing it right now...give them a break.... they will see that most users will still afloat in the ranges above 1000 below 1600.... and they will have to alter their "Bonuses" numbers... ( lately supacell surpiced me in a good way.. they do listen to feedback... de troops... air bombs... they are late in some other fixes like mortars/wiz bug and " meaningless trophies"... )

As a start is good... but trophies still have no Value ....
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...CK-here/page52






Now look at the pro level arguments. They boil down to:

1. Our clan has a minimum level requirement and this makes it hard to recruit.

Its a Valid point for Many Clans... ( not for ours)


2. I can't see people's level in global or clan chat.

What difference does it make? Most of the time you don't need to see it, and if for some reason you feel you must it is two taps away.


Yeah Most of the time i don't really need to see it:

But why did they feel the need to remove a stat from the game thats shows quickly:


Activity, Donations, Old members... why? to make trophies meaniful? lol

HB holds an even less extreme view than I. I do not support the photoshopped level/league badge thing. Why? Because I want to see level leave the game entirely. It is a completely meaningless number. It always has been. It always will be. I firmly believe that if Supercell had never added it to the game, there would not be tons of posts asking for experience and level to be added; at least not using the current system which has ensured it to be a completely useless number.

Adding experience and a level indicator was a mistake. One that Supercell is slowly correcting. They removed it from the battle log and they have removed it from chat. Hopefully they will soon remove it from the game.

Yours thoughts are ok.


Yeah, are we "the users" now to be blamed because Supercell Removed something that we were accustomed for many Months without Prior Notice??.....How that sounds to Your Ears? Is this great PR for a company of that caliber?




They could have at least created a thread to share our Views about: IF We truly need OR Not Levels ?


Guess What.... they didn't care at all, about what we are thinking and the way they removed it is kinda amateurish...



I can live without The level Badge, as i can live without the shinny new Badges ( for Meaningless trophies)





Since Dahimi you shared your views about LEVELS..... Can you share your views about Trophies too?

Is trophies an indication of a skilful player or .... sth else? Elaborate Please...


/sry for typos

[Opihi]

also dont tell me this is your best reasoning why everybody is in favor of levels... lol

1. We earned it.

2. It's annoying having such basic principles of the game removed.

3. We play the game to upper our level.

4. Some of us have spent gems to raise our level (Like me)

5. Level is a sign of recognition, it deserves to be advertised in our names.

6. We are already used of our level being next to our name, it's basically a part of us.

7. We are symbolically attached to our level (I am completely addicted to this game and I live for my level)

8. Recruiting, very hard to recruit in global, nearly impossible to find a person who fits your clan requirements without visiting everyone who is in the global. (This takes way too much time)

9. Level is pretty much the main purpose of playing this game, we all try to upper our level to gain respect.

10. It's nice having a conversation with somebody knowing their level, it's unpleasant to visit them, or check clan status to see what level they are.

My solution, put our level next to our name, by the clan league shield.

thank you, and please consider this.

*If you have any points you'd like added to the list, leave a reply.

These points are not redundant, they all serve a very unique reason why levels should be restored to our names.

[Looking for an admins feedback]

[dahimi]

Ok clearly, you haven't read his/hers posts and i know someones motives from their writing. I dont mind and care if you wanna protect someone who Overly BIASED for Supercell... ( wikia.. ) but











Did i say it isn't? It definitely IS... BUT there is a but ...


Look at the clan per example: Bonbee is a cat / ravimental

And tell if this isn't a major flaw in the league system...


Base Strength doesn't always Equals to Maxed bases and maxed walls....

Have you ever trophy hunted Dahimi? ..... you would be surprised by the quantity of premature Bases, who only gems Camps / Troops .... Isn't this a major Flaw?


And i am still surprised ....

...But why the need to remove the Level so much.... and in such Hurry....? yeah i know Gems... duh.





Re-Read my feedback a bit:

a)

Introducing Leagues: compete in your own division!

Nice try ... to Re-work Trophies, but as i predicted no need to rush for trophies as the incentives are still low :X

...( its like put a lipstick on a pig ( with colours haha Gold Puple Black red) and try to entice more people in it ....)

...Still i see trophies as a break from long farming sessions ...

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...CK-here/page11

b)

...Besides all the negative feedback .... It's free loot... and They are beta testing it right now...give them a break.... they will see that most users will still afloat in the ranges above 1000 below 1600.... and they will have to alter their "Bonuses" numbers... ( lately supacell surpiced me in a good way.. they do listen to feedback... de troops... air bombs... they are late in some other fixes like mortars/wiz bug and " meaningless trophies"... )

As a start is good... but trophies still have no Value ....
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...CK-here/page52






Now look at the pro level arguments. They boil down to:

1. Our clan has a minimum level requirement and this makes it hard to recruit.

Its a Valid point for Many Clans... ( not for ours)


2. I can't see people's level in global or clan chat.

What difference does it make? Most of the time you don't need to see it, and if for some reason you feel you must it is two taps away.


Yeah Most of the time i don't really need to see it:

But why did they feel the need to remove a stat from the game thats shows quickly:


Activity, Donations, Old members... why? to make trophies meaniful? lol







Yours thoughts are ok.


Yeah, are we "the users" now to be blamed because Supercell Removed something that we were accustomed for many Months without Prior Notice??.....How that sounds to Your Ears? Is this great PR for a company of that caliber?




They could have at least created a thread to share our Views about: IF We truly need OR Not Levels ?


Guess What.... they didn't care at all, about what we are thinking and the way they removed it is kinda amateurish...



I can live without The level Badge, as i can live without the shinny new Badges ( for Meaningless trophies)





Since Dahimi you shared your views about LEVELS..... Can you share your views about Trophies too?

Is trophies an indication of a skilful player or .... sth else? Elaborate Please...


/sry for typos

No offense but I'm not sifting through that. It's way too difficult to pick out the points there. However, for your first point, I will protect anyone who has an opinion backed up by rational/logical reasoning. Nothing he has said is false and he has presented his arguments in a clear and coherent manner.

I'm very disappointed by how many people on the forum have chosen to attack him instead of his ideas. It's not just him either:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...l=1#post392954

How is this at all acceptable behavior, regardless of how you feel about this issue?

[billwinkiesbear]

I love it how everyone calls hb a troll just because he displays his own view and backs it up with his own reasoning...

so you people are saying you wouldn't accept a player if he had a champion badge? even if he had a purple badge and or a level next to his name you would still click to visit his base... from experience pre update seeing a level 70+ is not an automatic acceptance to our clan... most are premature th 9 anyway... so why does having a level next to our name even matter when we have to visit their base anyway? is it a pride thing to show off how many hours/gems/donations/treeremovals you have put in? having a badge instead of a number next to your name shows simply what hb had stated in his OP and continued to say throughout this thread... I don't understand all the hate in this thread directed at not only hb but people who agree with him... maybe you haters need to walk around with your age on your head so people in real life can decide if they want to converse with you... or better yet post the age of of your maturity

No i would not accept him by default... I have had a level 30s with 2k plus trophies apply to my clan...

[Syaoraen]

Well, this stops the complain about people getting attack by players 20-30 levels above them.